Villain Therapy: LOKI

2021 ж. 29 Мау.
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Is Loki's villainy the result of nature or nurture? He is the god of mischief, but he's also got a lot of family problems...

Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright explore Loki's character arc in the MCU, from his adopted father Odin's propensity to compare him to his brother Thor, to narcissistic traits (he is rather convinced of his own glorious purpose, and calls himself the savior of Asgard...), to why we all love when Hulk smashes him into the floor and calls him a puny god.

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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker and Alan Seawright
Produced by: Jonathan Decker, Megan Seawright & Alan Seawright
Edited by: Trevor Horton
Director of Photography: Bradley Olsen
English Transcription by: Anna Preis

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  • One of the saddest things about Loki finding out he’s adopted is that he’s been raised to hate Jotun’s his whole life, so he’s already been taught to hate himself without knowing it until now.

    MacabreRomanceMacabreRomance Жыл бұрын
    • @Maya Cool? But we are not talking about the comics.

      Ignis FatuuIgnis FatuuАй бұрын
    • @Ignis Fatuu It was confirmed that he was abandoned by the creators of the comics.

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • And not just that, there’s an extra layer too where “My father *knew* I was a Jotun and *still* taught me to hate them and therefore myself” which is super extra painful when he comes to realize that he wasn’t imagining the favoritism, that it was *real* and for a reason

      Some Random Human Being on The InternetSome Random Human Being on The Internet2 ай бұрын
    • It's true though. It's painful but true. He was always taught to hate them and never given much attention. Immediately when he found out of course he'd start doubting himself.

      Jane ♋Jane ♋3 ай бұрын
    • @bloodyrose1985 He wasn't abbandoned. Odin found him in a temple in the heart of Jotunheim after killing all the frost giants guarding the temple. Keeping your child guarded at a holy site in the heart of your realm while a war rages doesn't scream abandonment.

      Ignis FatuuIgnis Fatuu4 ай бұрын
  • Loki: i'm going to confront you with all your shitty parenting! Odin: oop time to pass out.

    Olivia MackenzieOlivia Mackenzie11 ай бұрын
    • *Odin has left the chat*

      UnaiiUnaii8 күн бұрын
    • SYSTEM SHUTDOWN

      Aruki TsukaruAruki Tsukaru20 күн бұрын
    • "NON-SPECIFIC EXCUSE!" -Grunkle Stan

      Spuds LarssonSpuds Larsson28 күн бұрын
    • @J - J poqs

      The QuadThe QuadАй бұрын
    • @J - J reminds me of my grandfather actually…

      AuroraLaluneAuroraLaluneАй бұрын
  • Loki's magic and illusion are actually not from his genetics, they were taught to him by his mother, who gave him more attention to balance Odin.

    Weronika WalczykWeronika Walczyk10 ай бұрын
    • Oooooo

      Nobody's hereNobody's hereАй бұрын
    • @Loki Prince of Mischief wait what-

      Czeiana MiguelCzeiana MiguelАй бұрын
    • @Weronika Walczyk Yes!! Thank you. And thank you for Freeing Loki. Your noble devotion to a most worthy cause quite literally means worlds to me

      Loki Prince of MischiefLoki Prince of MischiefАй бұрын
  • Here's something that always bugs me about the narrative around Loki, something that I think really needs to be addressed: the adoption narrative. Loki was not adopted. He was kidnapped from his home by an enemy ruler with intentions of his own. Loki was not an adopted child. He was a prisoner of war, raised to believe he was a blood relation of a man who had no intention of truly accepting him as an equal, and taught to hate his own people. And that needs to be addressed.

    Laura DavisonLaura Davison10 ай бұрын
    • You had me until you pretend Odin had no intention of truly acceptin him as an equal or that Odin taught him to hate his own people. The first, very clearly a lie and explicitly discretited on screen by Ragnarok. The later just literally never shown, if anything Odin was shown to teach tolerance for the frost giants and to just leave them be in their own realm.

      Louis VictorLouis VictorАй бұрын
    • @Laura Davison Loki was not kidnapped. No matter how many times you use caps lock or to shout it, its not gonna make it true. Loki was an abandoned child taken in by Odin after war and if Odin hadn't taken him in, he would have died. He adopted Loki and raised him as a prince of Asgard.

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • Except... if what Odin says was true, Loki was taken by Odin because he'd already been abandoned by his own parents for being too small. So... kidnapper or life-saver? Hard to say.

      BethgaelBethgaelАй бұрын
    • @Hannah Chitty-Finch Agree with most of this, but Loki DID have family left on Jotunheim. Loki killed his own biological father in order to save Odin's life. His father was still alive until near the end of the first Thor movie. ;)

      Ja LaJa La2 ай бұрын
    • 10,000% Agree

      TreeHairedGingerAleTreeHairedGingerAle3 ай бұрын
  • Fun fact. Amongst a hundred other improvised moments in Ragnarok, director Taika waititi said the story about Loki being a snake and stabbing Thor was ad libbed by Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston smirking was genuinely him smirking at Chris. They did a few different takes with a few different stories but the snake one was the one they liked the best

    Anna_BananaAnna_Banana9 ай бұрын
    • @Chrissie Or the nordic reference that Loki is father of the snake that surrounds the world, Jormundgander, is the enemy of Thor and is destined to kill him at the begining of Ragnarok.

      BelaytriksBelaytriks21 күн бұрын
    • @Merlijn Snakes give the best hugs

      John BowmanJohn BowmanАй бұрын
    • They probably liked it so much, because it would be such a Loki thing to do.

      Fl vd RFl vd R2 ай бұрын
    • I imagine Chris came up with it as a reference to the snakes in the Hercules myth (which are Hades' imps in the Disney movie).

      ChrissieChrissie2 ай бұрын
    • That's awesome! I already love that moment because snakes get so little love so it is just lovely to hear that Thor loves them as much as I do, but that makes it so much better

      MerlijnMerlijn3 ай бұрын
  • I know someone who adopted a baby. She said she was so nervous about how she might one day tell the child their adoption story, so she began "practicing" by telling the story to the baby when they were a baby. And she kept telling them the story, so the baby grew up always knowing how they were chosen and loved and how they made their family better. Pretty wonderful to grow up in that family.

    Jennifer BaxterJennifer Baxter Жыл бұрын
    • @Rebecca McCoy My mom, as I said before is adopted. She always knew, but got a genetic test to find out who her parents were when some health problems came up and she couldn't figure out where it came from without knowing her family history. Turns out her biological mother's side had a long history of thyroid issues, arthritis, early greying (fully grey by 30 y/o), cancer, Alzheimer's, osteoporosis, and sickle cell, as well as inverted limbs. She then called my grandparents up and asked if they were the real family. They said yes. She said she's happy that such loving people are her family, but is also devastated, considering everyone in that family has died from genetic heart problems, Alzheimer's, diabetes, and other passed down illnesses, some of which she was already confirmed to have. It's a weird thing, because she almost knows how she's going to die. Her biological mom, dad, and my dad's dad are the only remaining grandparents I have, and it's a weird feeling. Also my bio grandma on my mom's side always tried to buy my love, and pushed to call her grandma, and I still don't. I can't. She basically abandoned my mom to live with some dudes (big polyamory ring) who broke up with her not even a year later, and then she proceeded to do the same thing to four other kids by four other men. And the thing was, she put my mom up for adoption at a firm that pays you to put your baby up for adoption. She was getting paid. Then, she cut contact with my mom until my mom found her by herself, and then she begged her to send her money. My mom rejected, as she didn't fully know her, but then she'd send us 40$ once she was back on her feet. Then, she proceeded to pressure my siblings and I over the phone to call her grandma. I told her no, because my mom was very honest about the interactions they have had, then when I refused to call her grandma, the money stopped being sent. It was obvious what her intentions were, and even though she's a wonderful lady otherwise, and her husband, though riddled with Alzheimer's, is a great guy. I love her, and I'm happy she brought my mother into this world, but I dislike her approach to bonding, and the way she didn't learn from her mistakes and literally sold her children. If she ever needed help, I would help her. She's not my enemy, and never was, but she hasn't earned the grandma title, if you know what I mean. She's also the first person that taught me that the blood of the covenant is stronger than the water of the womb, in the sense of just because you birthed her, doesn't mean you will ever be her real parent, no matter how much money you send us.

      Vibe CheckedVibe CheckedАй бұрын
    • It was you wasn't it ? You were the adopted one in this story.

      Nosipho DywiliNosipho Dywili5 ай бұрын
    • @Rebecca McCoy - Please see my reply to R. Maddox.

      Kaaren BockKaaren Bock6 ай бұрын
    • @Robby Maddox - I’m 56, and I clearly remember the Biology class where we tested our blood to determine blood type. One of the boys approached the teacher and said, “I know my parent’s blood types. This can’t be my blood type.” The teacher was completely unprepared, and said something about “talk to your parents,” but she was clearly flustered. If the boy was right about his parents’ and his own blood types, then either he was adopted or his “father” wasn’t his father. If the latter, I wonder if the fathers (biological and legal) knew, or if they had used donated sperm. In any case, I suspect that was an uncomfortable evening at his house. I hope it went well. The students in that class were about 14 and 15 years old.

      Kaaren BockKaaren Bock6 ай бұрын
    • @Hannah Chitty-Finch if you honestly think THAT'S the worst thing, you have a very narrow view of life. Not only that, you DON'T know that they'll find out. EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. Sometimes, it means your child grows up learning they're adopted. Sometimes, it means telling them when they're a little older, and can grasp the concept that you chose them. Sometimes, it means telling them as an adult, and sometimes it means they never need to know. A million different situations, each of them different and unique and only for the family to decide. This pressure put on these families over the last few years to have open adoptions and to tell every child they're adopted is just as bad as every adoption being a closed adoption and never telling the child. In the end, everyone in these situations just wants what's best for the kid, but that should be fully and completely up to their family, both the new family they're getting, and their biological family. Definitely not strangers on the internet.

      AnnabeeAnnabee7 ай бұрын
  • There's a really interesting moment in the scene where Hulk slams Loki around that no one ever picks up on or talks about. Right before Hulk grabs Loki, Loki snaps at him and yells, "I will not be bullied--" Not "I will not be beaten" or "I will not be bested," but "I will not be bullied." It's shades of that lonely, outcast kid inside who wasn't like the other Asgardian boys who were obsessed with brawn and fighting. The moment he yells that at Hulk, I always wonder if Hulk's physique - huge, muscled, brute strength - reminds Loki of all the men who dismissed him and other boys who beat him up and bullied him in Asgard.

    Alisha GrausoAlisha Grauso10 ай бұрын
    • @lolawhiterabbit yeah and in the Thor movie Thor realizes he’s wronged Loki, or at least when the robot is attacking them he realizes Loki has it out for him personally, and he apologizes, he doesn’t know what he’s apologizing for though, and to me it never feels like a real apology if the person doesn’t even know why their saying sorry in the first place, if they don’t even know that then how can they correct their behavior and stop themself from doing exactly what made you made in the first place. Easy they can’t for real. Through Thor was trying it’s just Loki wasn’t meeting him halfway until the last battle of the ragnarok movie. Plus we do see in the Avengers movie Thor does stop the team from badmouthing and disrespecting Loki regardless of what he’s done, it’s shown us growth with Thor that at least he isn’t letting others outright disrespect Loki anymore, and we don’t (from my memory at least) see Asgard disrespect Loki again. I do wish we got to actually see Asgard mourn Loki, like I do trust Thor not to lie about it, but it would’ve been good to actually see it.

      Natalia WashingtonNatalia Washington24 күн бұрын
    • Yes agree, in a deleted scene from the first Thor movie, Loki and Thor are talking and Thor makes fun of Loki’s preference of using magic instead of brawling like him and Thor and the servant laugh at him, 1. Loki isn’t laughing he’s clearly used to it and he reacts by turning wine into snakes to scare the servant, and 2. Thor lets it happen, he lets this servant just laugh at his brother and disrespect him that tells me that this isn’t a one time thing-that this isn’t even something that happens every once in a while, this is a recurring thing that happens and it’s definitely another factor into Loki decent into a villain-he wants to be loved and respected, not hated, bullied, and disrespected, but he lashes out by saying things he doesn’t mean or doing mischievous sometimes downright hurtful things to get attention

      Natalia WashingtonNatalia Washington24 күн бұрын
    • This is a brilliant comment. I didn’t notice it, either. Thanks for bringing it up!

      Fleet SkipperFleet SkipperАй бұрын
    • Yeah in the first Thor movie, we actually see thor’s buddies bully Loki and Thor let’s it happen. We talk about how much shitty of a bother Loki is but no one talks about how much of a shitty brother Thor is too.

      lolawhiterabbitlolawhiterabbitАй бұрын
    • ...this hit me so much. I didn't noticed it at all

      SoffySoffy2 ай бұрын
  • As an adopted child, Tom Hiddleston nailed the emotion of "why didn't you tell me?" It's confusion, anger, hurt, resentment, still loving them but wondering how you would have been different, wanting to know more truth, all mixed together. It's a devastating revelation

    Kay ArnoldKay Arnold9 ай бұрын
    • @Amanda Lungren My children have known their adoption story ever since they were tiny. I hope they know it would have been easier for me not to tell them but that I tried my best to be a good mom even though I really don’t know what I’m doing.

      Sarah SmithSarah SmithАй бұрын
    • @Amanda Lungren you have good parents. Worlds better then Odin is.

      Fl vd RFl vd R2 ай бұрын
    • I'm so sorry this happened! I was adopted at birth as was my youngest brother (we are both from other families). Our parents told us from the beginning even before we fully understood the meaning. They didn't agree that keeping it a secret would be good for us and I will forever be greatful of this!

      Amanda LungrenAmanda Lungren4 ай бұрын
    • @Kay Arnold yeah, classic way of knowing things *sign* I found out I had a brother when I was 9 or 10 and my parents accidently spilled it. That was a horrible time.

      Paakhi ThakurPaakhi Thakur6 ай бұрын
    • @Pfinchen I was 13 when I found out. They didn't plan on telling me until I was 18, but I stumbled on some stuff that revealed it.

      Kay ArnoldKay Arnold6 ай бұрын
  • Keep in mind, in Avengers it's entirely likely that the mind stone, the staff, was altering Loki's behavior. As *soon* as he's away from it in both timelines his behavior changes, he goes back to being a troublemaker, more or less, and not a tyrant or murderer.

    Glen WaldropGlen Waldrop11 ай бұрын
    • Fair

      G.D. GrahamG.D. GrahamАй бұрын
    • @Kristina Thomas Another thing to note: Loki has the same eyes as all the people he'd mind-controlled with his sceptre (that pale, flat blue shade), except for in that moment and after he'd been pummeled by Hulk. In the moment where he tells Thor that, his eyes go back to normal for a moment, and after he gets his deserved thrashing by Hulk, he's permanently back in his right mind, and once again has his normal eyes. In fact, IIRC, you can see that his eyes are off in the post-credits scene of Thor, where he was doing his astral projection thing from wherever he'd ended up after falling off the Bifrost (presumably right into Thanos' hands, which might also explain why he looks way more brutalized in that scene than he had following his defeat on the bridge). His mannerisms were distinctly different, as well, and his smile had gone completely manic in a way we don't really see otherwise.

      MokiefraggleMokiefraggle5 ай бұрын
    • @Eko Pradja sure seems that way. Loki corrupted whoever he touched with the scepter, the Avengers were corrupted by being in the room with it, Ultron was created by the scepter, Vision came from the mind stone after it was removed. The scepter was probably powered by the mind stone but a magical item itself.

      Glen WaldropGlen Waldrop5 ай бұрын
    • @Kristina Thomas no no, i always knew it, I meant the scene where Loki says he never wanted the throne. Someone said it was a deleted scene but I remember seeing that one in the movie

      Ana LeeAna Lee5 ай бұрын
    • @Eko Pradja sorry meant thanos

      Placeholder for nowPlaceholder for now5 ай бұрын
  • Probably my fav Loki moment is from Dark World, the scene of him in the cell and revealing the truth of the trashed room. It's that first real moment of seeing the "mask" cracked with Friga's death and it's just so good. Simple, but good.

    AlitainAlitain8 ай бұрын
    • Yeah but I just really enjoyed that his hair is naturally curly, but he greases and flattens it to be strait so that he looks more like a "bad boy". Just seeing that he wasn't being a bad boy in that scene and instead a hurt kid just really sticks out to me.

      Vibe CheckedVibe CheckedАй бұрын
    • Oh man and when the show Loki too. When he finds out his mom dies and that it was his fault, it broke him, you can see it in his eyes how much pain and regret he has.

      lolawhiterabbitlolawhiterabbitАй бұрын
    • Yes, this.

      Kate ArcherKate Archer3 ай бұрын
  • “Hiddleston’s acting is so good” *Everyone liked that*

    Madeline MulderMadeline Mulder Жыл бұрын
    • We already been knew

      RattootaRattoota Жыл бұрын
    • You just challenged Loki haters XD

      Daisy PhinneyDaisy Phinney Жыл бұрын
  • “Trust my rage” is such a *GOOD* LINE and it doesn’t get talked about enough. Thor is questioning where Loki’s loyalties lie, and if he is just going to simply turn on him again. He doesn’t trust Loki, and Loki knows this. He doesn’t tell Thor “Trust me”. He doesn’t try to convince him that he wants what Thor wants, because he knows that there is nothing he could say that Thor would 100% believe, because that’s just who Loki is, Thor knows him as a trickster. Instead, Loki says “Trust my rage”. His mother was killed by an elf. Loki’s only lasting love was his mother. They had the closest bond of anyone in the family. Loki was *distraught* about this. He is pissed at the elves. He is telling Thor that even if he cannot trust Loki’s morals, his character, trust that he is angry, and that he will do anything to take revenge, even if that means working with Thor. He is saying “Trust that my rage is not directed at you right now”

    Some Random Human Being on The InternetSome Random Human Being on The Internet2 ай бұрын
    • @Glenn Griffon Oh my gosh same- I feel like that movie was more about Loki than it was Thor, and I LOVE it

      Some Random Human Being on The InternetSome Random Human Being on The Internet18 сағат бұрын
    • That line and the way Loki is shown in that film is why it's my favorite (that's right i said it, who wants some?). Loki is a mama's boy. He tries to put up a brave face and say he's okay, he's cool, he's not bothered. Thor sees through this illusion effortlessly. We see how broken Loki is about his mother's death. "Trust my rage" says so much.

      Glenn GriffonGlenn Griffon2 күн бұрын
  • The "tell me" scene is what made me fall in love with loki as a character. As a disabled person my agency is so often taken away and all I want is to be communicated with like an equal. The frustration that I feel when things are hidden from me, even out of love or trying to protect me, is immeasurable. I feel such intense flaming rage when people treat me as inferior or other or incapable. Loki's struggle is my struggle and I'm so glad I found a character I can relate to in that way.

    wolf girlwolf girlАй бұрын
    • THANK YOU! I could never understand why this hit me so hard, but this is exactly it! This this this! A thousand times this!

      StarcycleStarcycle22 күн бұрын
  • I think it’s important to remember with all of the scenes where Loki and Thor talk about how Loki stabbed Thor or seemed absolutely over the top insane as a kid, they’re gods. Like, Loki could have just thought of a stab as like a brotherly punch in the arm or something. Like yes, it was uncalled for, but it also wasn’t something that was completely and absolutely out of the ball park. I dunno, just food for thought :)

    Jada BowerJada Bower5 ай бұрын
    • @Carmen E I mean, it came up as an example of one of the many times Loki has tried to kill Thor. I think the reason it's not as serious as a murder attempt IRL would be is that they're gods in very dramatic, world-ending conflicts. Between the multiple genocides and Ragnarok, a little murder isn't that serious a crime.

      VannaLawsVannaLaws20 минут бұрын
    • I agree. I don't think Loki meant to kill Thor when he stabbed him, but even for powerful gods and Asgardians, I would think stabbing someone would be considered...not ok.

      Carmen ECarmen E8 күн бұрын
  • I always feel weird when people call Loki a narcissist. It’s so surface level to me. He’s just really traumatized and craves acceptance however he can get it.

    Tricia BourneTricia Bourne11 ай бұрын
    • I believe Thanos is really the narcissist. I’m sure you’ve seen all the comments about Loki being controlled by the stone in the Avengers, so I’ll save you the explanation, but I believe that throughout Avengers, most of what we see from Loki, what he says and does, is all a reflection of what Thanos believes about himself

      Some Random Human Being on The InternetSome Random Human Being on The Internet2 ай бұрын
    • he still is a narcissist tho, it came from trauma but that's how a lot of narcisissts become who they are so

      MădălinaMădălina4 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, he desperately wants and needs attention and does so in the form of narcissism by telling himself "I _deserve_ this attention and I need to make people understand why I deserve it because I'm so great" and so on

      Hazel TreeHazel Tree4 ай бұрын
    • Narcissism often times IS a coping mechanism to trauma

      Amaan MansourAmaan Mansour4 ай бұрын
    • I think those can coexist. He is a narcissist because he is so desperate for love and acceptance.

      R of the RealmR of the Realm4 ай бұрын
  • Loki is such an interesting character. Like, he’s a sort-of-villain for most of the movies, but yet, we can’t really help but root for him. He’s charismatic, charming, clever, resourceful, and funny. We hope that he will change for the better, and when he doesn’t, rather than give up on him, we root even harder for him to be better. I get where Thor was coming from all the times he defended and forgave Loki.

    Thea BruunThea Bruun Жыл бұрын
    • @K M He DID change though that's the thing. When these influences were removed from his life, he went on the path to become better and one version of him literally sacrificed his life for his brother and people. The idea that people "NEVER" change is something that enrages me to no end. This is how people never even entertain the idea to become better because its already drilled into them that they can't change, similarly to what you just said and most likely an idea that you encourage. Why do you think rehabilitation exists? You push someone to the deepest ends of despair and then call them abusive when they are affected and conditioned by it. Pitiful.

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • @ghost245353 The things he did in Avengers were due to mind control, they things he did outside of it was due to Odin's abusive and shitty parenting. The reason why people find it hard to hate him is because he is not inherently evil but was made to do bad things and some people related to his situation of abuse and neglect as well. In the "what if..?" series, you can see Loki being a friendly and affectionate person when he is brought up better and in a more healthier way.

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • @The Faerie Prince Yeah, but when he murdered innocent people it wasn’t of his own volition, he was being mind controlled. And all the heroes had killed, especially the assassins. Yeah, he did bad things, but it wasn’t really for bad reasons. He did bad things because he was taught that those bad things could lead to good things that he thought he deserved, then he realized that all those bad things couldn’t get him the only thing he wanted since he was a child (his fathers love and approval) so he let’s go of his fathers hand and sends himself into the void not knowing if he’d actually survive or not. That’s when he’s found by Thanos who easily uses Loki’s vulnerable mental health at the time to control him and torture, having him be the villain we know of from Avengers.

      UnderCover FangirlUnderCover Fangirl Жыл бұрын
    • @The Faerie Prince Much like Rogers and his group. But their reasoning is different. One is "I'm tired of being shit on and I'm not taking it anymore," while the other is "I'm always right."

      Nightthorn k'ValaNightthorn k'Vala Жыл бұрын
  • “There’s no mischief in Odin’s family” Ummmm….Loki learned all his magic from Frigga XD

    Abby StoutAbby Stout10 ай бұрын
    • @Carlos Hotrod When did she do that?

      Dread CthulhuDread CthulhuАй бұрын
    • Hell she was a queen she stole a sword from a guard instead of just asking for it kinda makes me think she showed him how to do pranks

      Carlos HotrodCarlos HotrodАй бұрын
    • @Joanna Joy Now and then in scenes she gets a mischievous smile. It's playful, but not malicious.

      Dread CthulhuDread Cthulhu4 ай бұрын
    • @Joanna Joy Just compare Frigga to the other Asgardians - she's clearly the main example of cunning; Thor even picks some of that up (he certainly didn't get it from Odin). Mischief and cunning often go hand in hand; heck, that's where we get comedy from. The problem is when people stop having fun, and you start hurting people - that's no longer mischief. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Frigga was just as mischievous in her youth - but you can't really be mischievous from a position of power, that's just... bullying. So she didn't get to be mischievous much as the Queen of Asgard. Now, granted, turning into a snake and stabbing your brother would be rather bad. But... they were kids, and... gods. Thor doesn't even feel particularly badly about it - maybe just a bit annoyed (because he likes snakes). Converted to human-scales, stabbing someone after turning into a snake would be like throwing a ball at someone to test their alertness :D

      LuaanLuaan5 ай бұрын
    • But was Frigga mischievous? Or her magic mischievous?

      Joanna JoyJoanna Joy7 ай бұрын
  • I love how Dr strange handled Loki. He was straight up like "I'm not dealing with that asshole" so left him falling for 30 minutes, then teleported him away 🤣🤣🤣

    Em JEm J2 ай бұрын
  • The other reason the "There are always men like you" is so powerful is this, he knew he would die for standing up. He grew up or fought in that war. He knew what standing up would mean for him. He just hoped to inspire others, because if enough stood up, Lori would lose.

    Kirsten WyattKirsten Wyatt2 ай бұрын
    • @Brave Home Me too. He sounded more like an Austrian or like he spoke with the wisdom of a man who has seen the horrors on men like him, and I just knew from the get-go considering my grandpa's side used to be Jewish before coming to America, and my great grandparents and one of my grandparents were survivors that told me everything, so I knew the second he delivered those lines that he was a survivor of something horrible, and with that accent, more than likely the Holocaust.

      Vibe CheckedVibe CheckedАй бұрын
    • I don't know if there's any proof, but I always believed the old man who stood up was a concentration camp survivor.

      Brave HomeBrave HomeАй бұрын
  • I really think people just greatly misinterpret Loki's character and motives bc they never get the full story and just make conclusions from the movies alone, especially the first Thor movie. (Which in this video is fine cuz that seems to be the intention, to just interpret what is being clearly shown and said) But if it's really about Loki as a character, there are points that really bother me never being addressed: 1) Odin didn't take Loki out of the goodness of his heart or bc he pitied him 2) Frigga said Odin didn't tell Loki bc he didn't want him to feel different (even though treating him different the whole time) bc she probably wants to believe it's like that bc that's her reason 3) "Your birthright was to die", is the sentence that, I think, clearly shows what Odin really thinks 4) Asgard sees Jötunn as brutal, ruthless monsters and Loki was raised to think about them like that, too (as is also being addressed by him arguing with Odin) 5) Thor's friends (and probably other Asgardians) didn't treat Loki as as an equal and belittled/made fun of him for his magic skills (cuz Asgard is all about bodily strength & brute force, not about "pretty illusions", strategies & mind games; also I have the theory that his skills were seen as something "womanly" or "ridiculous" bc Frigga seems to be the only one who uses magic in Asgard and he only has those skills bc she taught him since she probably noticed Loki's talents don't lie in pure strength) 6) Thor treated him like that, too and never made any move or seemed to have the intention to stop his friends bc for him it was probably just out of "good fun" and didn't think it was that serious 7) His love & knack for mischief already naturally made him an outsider in Asgard, where the people don't seem to be fond of tricks and pranks at all 8) Loki hates his Jötunn heritage bc of how he was raised and has so much self hatred for what he is 9) Thor was NOT suitable as a King at all and Loki noticed that, Thor always acted just irresponsible before he got sent down to earth and yet Odin still always praised and favoured him 10) After Loki let go of the spear and floated into the void (literally commiting suicide btw) he was found by Thanos and got tortured until he broke and agreed to attack earth as part of Thanos plan (honestly never understood how people didn't see that he was tortured when he appeared in the Avengers, like he looked AWFUL) *btw someone from the medical field pointed out to me, that the symptoms Loki showed/how he looked where signs that he was (among probably many other things) tortured with extreme heat, which as a Jötunn is definitely the worst 11) he was, apart from being supervised through it, also influenced by the scepter with the mind stone, you could literally see that his eyes were blue like the stone's more of a theory but many others also seem to think that: 12) Loki's plan with the chitauri was so easy to figure out despite him being such a cunning strategist, bc after Hulk smashed him his mind wasn't influenced by the scepter anymore (but obviously still supervised through Thanos minions) and he purposefully set the plan up poorly, just to fail in the end (someone in a yt video also analyzed the convo between Black Widow and Loki, pointing out where he seemed to drop hints, making it seem like she figured his plan out while he basically just told her)

    PRNCPRNC2 ай бұрын
    • Odin never treated him different, or even favored Thor over him. We're never shown anything like that in the movies. If Loki _feels_ like it, it doesn't make it true. When he found out about his true heritage, he says "It makes so much sense now, why you favored Thor all these years. Because you could never have a Frost Giant sitting on the throne of Asgard". To him, favoring Thor = giving him throne, which is not true. Thor is simply older, Asgardian or not, that's how it works. But Loki being the narcissist he is, couldn't see that.

      Cyber CriminalCyber Criminal2 күн бұрын
    • 10) In an interview, Tom Hiddleston said he and Joss Whedon had a conversation about what happened to Loki between Thor and Avengers. I don't remember the details, but I got the impression he was tortured or at least suffered physically.

      Carmen ECarmen E8 күн бұрын
  • I find it so funny that Loki did so much to get on the throne, and then when he got it he wasn't even an evil ruler. He just ate grapes and watched theatre all day lmao

    Mekelle AngelMekelle Angel Жыл бұрын
    • @Kristine Walberg Agreed! Odin could have changed the narrative about Jotens being the monster parents tell their kids about at night, so that when the truth finally came out or he decided to tell the truth, Loki wouldn't be seen as a monster. Of course, we see in Thor 3 in the play, that it doesn't seem to be an issue. Probably because they were following "Odin's" lead. (MCU is not super consistent).

      Carmen ECarmen E8 күн бұрын
    • Yeah because he finally got what everyone was denying him. So he was just finally enjoying it all.

      Lucy Stephanie: Properties & MoreLucy Stephanie: Properties & More10 күн бұрын
    • Loki was an absolute Roman, eh

      Silber WölfinSilber Wölfin27 күн бұрын
    • Villian: *in head "Finally, I have infiltrated the government and become the president. Now, I must keep up the act so no one suspects me." Villian giving speech: "Free health care for everyone! Crack down on discrimination! Marriage rights for all!"

      AndrewAndrewАй бұрын
    • Goals.

      Wesley ThomasWesley ThomasАй бұрын
  • There is a pretty popular theory that after Thor 1 when Loki tries to kill himself, Thanos captures him and tortures/mind controls him to attack earth in Avengers. He's fixed with 'cognitive recalibration' when hulk beats the shit out of him. Not saying he's like not a villainous character most of the time but I mean he seems way more one dimensional in Avengers compared to the other movies.

    Madelyn McCordMadelyn McCord10 ай бұрын
    • @Madelyn McCord Vision was created purely from the mind stone. Ultron was made from the scepter containing the mind stone. You can see the difference between both these AIs. The theory is that while the mind stone is neutral, the scepter may have been the thing manipulating its effects.

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • Y e a h, Loki certainly doesn't act in-character during the Avengers movie. He's not his usual self - Loki's thing isn't brute-forcing his way through. He's more likely to rely on trickery, or diplomacy and charm.

      Verônica HangVerônica HangАй бұрын
    • @Y G 'Gifted with a Scepter that acted as a mind control device, Loki would be able to influence others. Unbeknownst to him, the Scepter was also influencing him, fueling his hatred over his brother Thor and the inhabitants of Earth.' from Marvel's webpage. Is this what you meant? I don't think it's mind control. More like an influence. They didn't really confirm how far exactly was the influence, but it probably wasn't like how Loki did with Clint. I think it's more similar to when the sceptre affected the Avengers and they started arguing with each other. And since Loki was already in a bad state, those negative emotions were amplified to their worst.

      Rae IiRae Ii2 ай бұрын
    • @Y G really?? I didn't know that

      Madelyn McCordMadelyn McCord2 ай бұрын
    • It was literally confirmed by Feige that he was mind controlled by the scepter/Thanos

      Y GY G2 ай бұрын
  • On the part of "telling your adopted child they are adopted" I was adopted and my parents sat me down at like 2 years old and explained what adopted means in a way I could understand but also told me how much they love me and they are my mom and dad and I'm their baby, that was actually something I feel was one of their better decisions they took with me. It's always best to be honest with your child when it comes to their lives, but also explaining that's just which tummy you come from, but we are your mommy and daddy and love you very much, "we wanted you so badly and not every parent gets to choose their baby, we are very lucky to have you"

    Xenja NobodyXenja Nobody8 ай бұрын
  • Would love to see y'all do the Loki series. He has a great character development in it, and Hiddleston does some amazing acting, and has some heart wrenching scenes.

    Gleerox18Gleerox188 ай бұрын
  • Well, in Disney+ Loki _does_ go from a villain to an anti-hero. He's getting a kind of tough love that is healing him. Granted it's a very hard road, but he's changing for the better.

    PhantomQueenOnePhantomQueenOne11 ай бұрын
    • @Karstyn McDaniel Decker eventually made a video about it.

      Miz MimaMiz MimaАй бұрын
    • @Miz Mima it hadn't been released yet at time of filming

      Karstyn McDanielKarstyn McDanielАй бұрын
    • I was surprised that they didn’t include the show at all.

      Miz MimaMiz MimaАй бұрын
    • I think seeing the film of what the Sacred Timeline would have had in store for him (including causing Frigga’s death and later dying at Thanos’ hands) also plays a big part in that. He eventually realizes the futility of the “Glorious Purpose” he’d been so fixated on.

      Renee ReavisRenee Reavis2 ай бұрын
  • 10:56 I just want to mention that Laufey tells Thor “Your father is a murder and thief”. Also Loki was left in a temple, according to Odin if I remember correctly. Loki was the son of a king, of COURSE he would be put somewhere away from the threat. Laufey and the others must have thought that Odin killed their little prince. So yeah. I believed he was better off with his bio family (just look at What If)

    NJ Moonfrost 614NJ Moonfrost 614Ай бұрын
    • @Chee Thao this^. Odin mentions that Loki was left abandoned, and was "small for a Giant's offspring" in Thor, and in Ragnarok the play even references that when the acted Odin mentions how Loki was a little baby all alone in a frozen wasteland. Laufey did not care for Loki, even not bothering to say anything about being his true father when Loki goes to Jotunheim alone to set the plan for them to invade.

      WhiteythereaperWhiteythereaper12 күн бұрын
    • Odin said Loki's birthright was to die. He knew Loki was a runt and would be considered unfit for anything Laufey would've expected of him, and more than likely Loki would've died as a frost giant. What if's frost giant Loki wasn't a runt

      Chee ThaoChee Thao12 күн бұрын
    • well... according to the creators of the comics (source material and what the show is based on) Loki was abandoned as a baby because they thought he was too small and weak, soooo... being left by his bio family to die wouldn't exactly make him better off now would it?

      Rose BrownRose Brown20 күн бұрын
  • He definitely has some of the best one liners and I can't imagine anyone else playing his character.

    Ryan kRyan k9 ай бұрын
  • Holy crap. I just realized something. A KZworldr called Overly Sarcastic Productions did a video on Loki and showed that he was actually who the Norse gods relied on to use to get out of a deal or to trick someone. That’s why Thor said “classic Loki” because that is literally what Loki was in the myths, a guy who was clever that the gods used to trick people instead of him being a trickster himself, they set him up to always be the scapegoat if their plan fell through

    Sydney SkousenSydney Skousen10 ай бұрын
    • @Vera Mae I’d love to see him

      My_Girl_ SeraphineMy_Girl_ SeraphineАй бұрын
    • I miss Balder. I know it would have complicated the heck out of the plots, but Balder is the perfect son.

      Vera MaeVera MaeАй бұрын
    • Sweet another OSP fan😊😮😊😊🎉

      My_Girl_ SeraphineMy_Girl_ SeraphineАй бұрын
  • Tony Stark himself once said, “He’s a full-tilt diva. He craves an audience.”

    john krappweisjohn krappweis9 ай бұрын
  • “No one wants to see a movie of Thor and Loki being bros” Uh...yes, yes we do.

    EtticosEtticos Жыл бұрын
    • YES.

      Silber WölfinSilber Wölfin27 күн бұрын
    • @This isn't allowed Sweet home Alabama? Sweet home Asgard?

      MayaMayaАй бұрын
    • Watch Marvel's "What If...?"

      Aaron WilsonAaron WilsonАй бұрын
    • The car driving scene was great

      Carlos HotrodCarlos HotrodАй бұрын
    • Indeed we do. And Thor: Ragnarök basically _was_ that movie of Thor and Loki being "bros". I'm so tired of script writers going, "But Loki/the Joker/Spiderman's personality and life circumstances always have to revert back to the Status Quo Ante as set down by the comics! Loki has to be "evil", Spiderman has to be eternally poor and trapped in a dead-end job while at the same time being called brilliant as a tech nerd, and Joker can never be cured (and Arkham Asylum never tries to actually give therapy to any of the incarcerated villains).

      CrunchyFrogCrunchyFrog3 ай бұрын
  • As we have seen at the end of the Loki series, our Loki finally learned that his value isn’t wrapped up in prestige or power. He had a chance to “have it all” and realized he didn’t want it.

    EmJaiEmJai8 ай бұрын
  • I just realized that from Loki's speech in The Avengers, when he says "mad scramble for power and identity", he is talking about himself, even if he doesn't know it.

    SaulOhioSaulOhio10 ай бұрын
  • The magical skills also was nuture, as well as nature. Frigga taught him his skills

    Ivy AnnenIvy Annen10 ай бұрын
  • The scene where Loki finds out brings me to tears every time. Loki’s “TELL ME” gets me every time.

    ICEMASTERICEMASTER8 ай бұрын
  • If I remember correctly I heard in an interview that loki's grin when thor was telling the story of the stabbing snake is actually Tom hiddleston trying not to laugh because Chris Hemsworth was improvising They keep it because it match so well loki personality 🤣

    Jap AiJap Ai Жыл бұрын
    • I heard that too.

      MinecraftGirlMinecraftGirl11 ай бұрын
    • @04beni04 I don't know if it was true it was improv, but they were going to do a flashback to roll over the story, but the take was so good for showing the characters they cut it.

      Tirus RhokinTirus Rhokin Жыл бұрын
    • i literally love that scene sm

      Wackson JangWackson Jang Жыл бұрын
    • @04beni04 pretty sure it is

      ValenminweValenminwe Жыл бұрын
    • If that's true (and I'm rooting for it to be true) that makes Ruffalo's reaction even better.

      04beni0404beni04 Жыл бұрын
  • Saying Loki is a narcissist left me with a complicated feeling especially after learning more about the methodology behind the character. In a way, I feel that he is as much of a victim as the instigators.

    Me MeMe Me4 ай бұрын
    • sorry for the typing english is hard

      Valentina Frida MercadoValentina Frida Mercado18 күн бұрын
    • narcissist are not necessarily villians, it's just a disorder like bipolarity or any other. he is a victim of his circumnsances AND he became a narcissist because of it, these two can coesxist

      Valentina Frida MercadoValentina Frida Mercado18 күн бұрын
  • 4:12 I have a feeling it's very similar to Megamind's case, in which he's categorised as a villain by the majority, and decides to embrace it. But Loki never had his own Minion with him, so his emotions continued being bottled up, corrupting him further and further, until it made him snap in Thor

    BerylLBerylL5 ай бұрын
  • When talking about the nature vs nurture, and his magic... His magic wasn't actually a genetic thing. His mother taught him how to do magic, similarly to how doctor strange wasn't born with it. So that actually falls into the nurture category.

    Bailey PoliceBailey Police10 ай бұрын
  • He honestly reminds me of if the Wesley twins went off the hinges. They were constantly in their siblings’ shadows, so they create mischief. That’s how they cope. And it’s how Loki copes, just slightly deranged.

    hi_im_Cricket_im_ur_Consciencehi_im_Cricket_im_ur_Conscience6 ай бұрын
  • The “little blue baby icicle” line is even better when you realize that wrote Loki wrote it 😂

    moviekris0426moviekris0426 Жыл бұрын
    • Approximately 80% of the lines in Thor Ragnarok was improvised by the actors. They were given a general guide for how the scene needed to go, and then were allowed to play their characters according to how the actor felt their characters would. Hiddleston also came up with the whole "Get Help" thing.

      Aubrey CarterAubrey Carter10 ай бұрын
    • @Mr. IIconic I don't choose to live in that reality. I think he ghostwriter or executive producer.

      ELIZABETH LEEELIZABETH LEE10 ай бұрын
    • @OperatorCabbage Your welcome XD

      darling.darling.11 ай бұрын
    • @darling. I understood that reference

      OperatorCabbageOperatorCabbage11 ай бұрын
    • And a hero! His name is capsicle.

      darling.darling.11 ай бұрын
  • Now that the Loki show has come out and we have episode 7 of “what if” showing how Loki and Thor grew apart from each other I would love to see a part 2 to This video that takes in all the new evidence into account

    Robert ChaneyRobert Chaney10 ай бұрын
  • In Scandinavian mythology Loki was hilarious. I enjoyed reading about him. He was a troublemaker and the reason why everybody had problems. But at the same time, he was the only reason I kept on reading this. :)) Once he turned into a horse in order to distract some important man’s stallion, but got raped by him in the end and had a horse baby, whom he later called his son. :) So to me Loki is a mischievous troublemaker, who is also a very funny and entertaining character.

    Женька и КоньЖенька и Конь9 ай бұрын
  • I feel like I would've let Odin get away with the hidden adoption sht if Loki hadn't said that line about being someone whom mothers tell their children are monsters. Like in the thousand years they've had their second son, they never once tried to change the perception about Frost Giants in Asgard. Asgardians hate them so much that it took barely a minute to convince Thor and his friends to attack the planet. For fcks sake, Loki tried to annihilate the entire planet and commit a genocide of his own race in an attempt to cement his place in the family and when, in his eyes, it wasn't enough for Odin, he let go of the spear. He let himself die. The fact that Thanos found him and sent him on that shtty NY mission is happenstance. In the What If series, where Loki never joins the Odin family, Loki is well adjusted, friendly and openly affectionate with Thor. Asgard did not help Loki at all. Tho to be fair, Odin probably did try and tell him and he got pruned by the TVA for that. The TVA shaped this Loki into existence.

    What's Up Mr.StarkWhat's Up Mr.Stark10 ай бұрын
  • Love it if you guys actually broke down the "therapy" Loki goes through in the series - cuz they only go through more and more trauma.

    Shade TeeShade Tee10 ай бұрын
  • I would love short stories about them having a good time. Loved this in Marvel's WhatIf

    Avalyn MorganAvalyn Morgan6 ай бұрын
  • Loki is the most well - developed Marvel character ever, I loved the tv show, as Tom Hiddleston said "Loki plays all the keys on a piano" and now he's grown so selfless and vulnerable and empathetic towards Sylvie, please protect them at all costs, they're precious little mischievous blue icicles.

    Anastasia P.Anastasia P.6 ай бұрын
  • I literally walked my friend through her adoption discovery and it was super rough for her. It did not go well until I had her look at it from their point of view and it took time and trust to understand. Parents should tell kids because when the kid finds out they feel violated...

    Frances ChewFrances Chew6 ай бұрын
  • Also, there was proof that he was mind controlled in the Avengers. There's also speculation that Thanos had tortured him.

    Raven TRaven T11 ай бұрын
  • People violently underestimate the desire for stories without conflict. I could literally watch a full 2 hour movie of Thor and Loki just being together and reconnecting and being brotherly

    Alphonse UrshonAlphonse Urshon Жыл бұрын
    • Stories with conflict are great and all but there are so many relationships I wish went better (Vi and Jinx, Harry and Sirius, Loki and Thor) and it genuinely pains me that we probably won't see those happen outside of fanfiction

      Hazel TreeHazel Tree4 ай бұрын
    • In fairness though, the only reason you want that is because they've had so much conflict before lol

      dragongirl7978dragongirl797811 ай бұрын
    • SAAAAAAME!!!

      Cage-CatCage-Cat Жыл бұрын
    • I would die for a sitcom series where it's just Thor and Loki being chaotic siblings. Like: Thor: "Hey can I have your number I want to text you" Loki, scrolling through instagram: "Sorry I don't have a phone."

      Ruelux PrinceRuelux Prince Жыл бұрын
    • Which is what The Dark World did and Ragnarok expanded. Undoubtedly the script for that movie was super weak, but the characters sort of grew in a sense, Thor wanted to be a good ruler, Loki (when saying TRUST MY RAGE) finally admit to caring about his family's pain.

      Lainie MedinaLainie Medina Жыл бұрын
  • Loki is the freaking bomb!! Such an awesome character

    Anna's CozyCornerAnna's CozyCorner10 ай бұрын
  • I hope you guys do something with the Loki show because we see so much more about Loki and his struggles in the show! It's amazing!

    Thorin's wifeThorin's wife11 ай бұрын
  • I'd love to hear your guys' take on Hawkeye when it's over. I think you guys could mine alot out of it. The two main themes that stick out to me are guilt and maintaining a healthy marriage.

    KenopsiaKenopsia8 ай бұрын
  • Loki's character baisically asks: "Can bad people, people who truly do have mental problems which cause them an enjyonment over others' sufferings, turn good? Or are they destined to never change?

    Daniel LevyDaniel LevyАй бұрын
  • When he screamed, "Tell me!", he hooked me for life. Such an incredible scene in a silly superhero movie. Tom Hiddleston is just phenomenal!

    ValkyrieValkyrie Жыл бұрын
    • Some of the best acting I’ve ever seen. Ever.

      Aly_KatAly_Kat8 ай бұрын
    • except for superhero movies aren't silly

      kl 23kl 239 ай бұрын
    • Same here. It only took one scene for us to see how good Tom Hiddleston is.

      SarahSarah10 ай бұрын
    • Silly?🗿

      Dr. TrousersDr. Trousers10 ай бұрын
    • @Daisy Phinney appropriate words for what Loki is feeling. Thank you for sharing.

      Split DimensionSplit Dimension11 ай бұрын
  • I'm honestly curious if the events happening in the the Loki show could actually help challenge Loki or be more damaging to someone with NPD.

    Alyssa AshfordAlyssa Ashford11 ай бұрын
  • I like that now that What If…? Is out, we know his mischievous and villainous nature was very much due to him being adopted by Odin

    sphlarahsphlarah4 ай бұрын
  • I would love to see your analysis of the changes Loki goes through in the Loki series. This was really good! Thank you.

    K EzK Ez9 ай бұрын
  • Loki is my absolute favorite Marvel character. Has always been from the first time I first saw the 1st Thor movie all those years ago. I feel in love with his character, could relate to him in so many ways that it's unbelievable, and I can't imagining myself not loving such a wholesome, incredible person ever. And it even got stronger over the years with the other movies Loki appeared in. Thanks to you guys for posting this video. You just made my year!

    Jennifer ChoateJennifer Choate10 ай бұрын
  • I'm surprised you didn't touch on the relationship he had with Frigga, it's one of the most heartbreaking parts of Dark World, because there was a genuine devastation to her death, proving that if he truly loved anybody more than his brother (which took multiple films to actually show that love) it was his mother. He's so guarded and you never truly know what he's thinking and feeling, but with his mother, you could always see the love he had for her even when he was trying to pretend he was indifferent. I think Frigga was always the family member who truly understood him and gave him the nurturing he needed, despite it not being the nurturing he wanted from Odin. Also, Get Help is one of the funniest moments in any Avengers/Thor film ever.

    The Bookish MuseThe Bookish Muse Жыл бұрын
    • I always found so disappointing that the movies don't talk about Loki's biological mother! In Norse mythology he is a son of a goddess (wise and good) and a giant (a terrifying one). His nature, powers and emotions have deeper reasons. He is not just a narcissistic person, he has good and evil in himself by nature, but he also have all love, intelligence and magic from his adopted mother. The character's challenge is how to learn accepting himself and cope with his nature, history and bad choices. I loved the new serie and all the development he achieved, but I hope they bring something about his birth mother in season 2.

      Ana VieiraAna Vieira11 ай бұрын
    • @Xehanort10 "That frost giantess might have been your mother, boy, but she ain't your mama."

      Kerry MichaelKerry Michael Жыл бұрын
    • @Horror & History I think he's definitely narcissistic, he shows many traits of a narcissist at least, if not being a true narcissist. It's hard to completely tell with film characters but at least in last week's episode of Loki he shows tremendous growth in being able to admit that he is narcissistic and has enough compassion (albeit for a version of himself) to show he can truly care and even cares a lot.

      The Bookish MuseThe Bookish Muse Жыл бұрын
    • I don’t see him as a narcissist though. It doesn’t fit with his character.

      Horror & HistoryHorror & History Жыл бұрын
    • It still breaks my heart that he wasn't allowed to visit the funeral. :(

      RaLPhis XamidaRaLPhis Xamida Жыл бұрын
  • The Scene when Loki came to earth wreaked havoc in Dresden of all towns and ordered people to kneel, and then one old man stands up. Being a german, watching this for the first time in the cinema. It really made an emotional impact. Somehow, I felt proud, this place and metaphor was choosen. I mean, ok, they have enough to deal with hydra all the other movies. So obvious nazis have a part in this. But it felt good to see, someone standing up to this, who is german, who knows his own countrys history and who won't have any of this dictatorship ever again. Showing that "we" (metaphorical/ storywise/cultural) had learned what to resist. The Germans have learned to step up against this kind of evil. I don't know how this felt for people of other nationality. I just know it felt so much more diffrent and it haunts me, in a positive way, every time.

    Jun OrphancrossJun OrphancrossАй бұрын
  • Loki even admits in Avengers that he “remembers a shadow” in Thor’s glory and 🥺 He was just so hurt.

    Brianna YoungBrianna Young11 ай бұрын
  • Love this! I'd be so interested to see your responses to Loki Season 1 as well. He's a fascinating character.

    Shira GaudetShira Gaudet2 ай бұрын
  • Also I wanna add that when Loki tried to inherit earth, this was not him! It was confirmed by the Marvel lead that Thanos was mindcontrolling him in this time. He surely was hurt and broken and felt betrayed, but his actions weren't his. This was led by Thanos! I feel like this is a very important point you entirely left out.

    Marie mit e.Marie mit e.9 ай бұрын
  • I would love to see their take on the Loki series. Also side note, it was confirmed that Loki was tortured by Thanos between Thor and Avengers.

    BecaLecksBecaLecks11 ай бұрын
  • Just want to point out that Frigga taught Loki magic. So, that should be considered in the nature/nurture debate. It wasn't entirely just his bloodline being magical, he was specifically taught tricks by her. I tend to lean more on the nurture side, but I do agree that there is something in his personality that was always going to be a bit mischievous.

    Jenn McIntyreJenn McIntyre4 ай бұрын
  • You are our son loki The way he just blinks in that scene is just like, ‘You’re seriously saying this now? When I just discovered I’m not your son?”

    Not my dead nameNot my dead name9 ай бұрын
  • Something I just noticed, Ragnorok confirms that the scene when Odin picks up Loki is right after he banished Hela, his eye was still... y’know... which is interesting since Odin then changes Loki’s appearance to what eventually becomes very similar to Hela’s, the long greasy black hair, slim and a little bony etc. And then he proceeds to keep Loki at a distance from then on, maybe because even though he misses Hela and “loves” Loki he sees their similarities and fears Loki for them

    Queen BooQueen BooАй бұрын
  • I am disappointed that you didn't talk about his imense self-hatred. He tried to commit a genocide of his own people because he has been taught that they are monsters. So he must be a monster as well. So on one hand he becomes the villain and on the other he still tries to prove himself to Odin. 'Look! I killed the Frost Giants! I am not one of them, I belong here, I deserve the throne.' And when that last desperate effort doesn't work, he lets go, tries to kill himself. I find Loki in the first Thor movie truly tragic. Edit: And it does fit in with narcisism which is after all rooted in perceived inferiority.

    NephtysRinaNephtysRina Жыл бұрын
    • @wilbur foot When he let go of the bifrost, it's heavily implied that he was just giving up on life at that moment. He was just done. He ended up surviving, but it's probably why he was a prime candidate for manipulation by Thanos, as he was at his lowest point.

      altashheth451altashheth4514 ай бұрын
    • he tried to kill himself? i don’t remember that

      wilbur footwilbur foot5 ай бұрын
    • @LunaTheWolfLB you mean Norse? They are very different people, the deity and the character. Loki is a trickster spirit, in animist religions they are change, destruction and rebuilt, that's why he always goes back on what he does, like when he cuts Sif's hair and in exchange he gets all sorts of treasures for the Aesir (I would say his treatment here isn't the fairest, but reading the Havamal you get a sense of how important spoken word is in Norse society, so when he breaks his oath to the elves he gets punished for it).... Except when he kills Baldr. And that's why he's punished for it. I honestly feel a lot worse for his wife in that story. Her kids get killed, and she gets stuck there, taking care of a husband who is being tortured for eternity.

      Mili PinMili Pin10 ай бұрын
    • Being told about savage monsters that is your worst nightmare that everyone you have ever known hates , then finding out you are one will kinda mess you up.

      Aneesah SadiqAneesah Sadiq10 ай бұрын
    • @Tosin Akin its fine, I do agree with what you said though.

      LunaTheWolfLBLunaTheWolfLB10 ай бұрын
  • @14:13 I know this is a video about Loki BUT. I can't stress how MUCH I LOVE THIS SCENE!!!! When Loki says, "Look to your elder people. Let him be an example." And Cap jumps in front of the old man. Steve Rogers IS the elder that should be our example. I was and still am the only person I know that gets excited when seeing that scene.

    KishimyuKishimyu10 ай бұрын
    • The actor in that scene is named Ken Tigar. Just FYI in case anyone was wondering.

      Andrew MalingowskiAndrew Malingowski4 ай бұрын
  • I wanna say 2 things about 6:23 - Loki’s abduction (not adoption). 1) From the moment they met, Odin saw Laufeyson as a bargaining chip. This wasn’t a child to be cared for, this was the enemy’s offspring to be used as a token to turn the tide. But Loki? Little baby Loki looked up and saw someone he immediately bonded with… and subconsciously changed himself on the outside to resemble this person who was holding him. From infancy, Loki only wanted acceptance. 2) The fact that Loki was found in a temple almost guarantees that he wasn’t abandoned or left to die. A temple is a sacred or religious place. He was almost certainly brought to the temple and left there to be safe. His mother almost certainly hid him in a place she thought wouldn’t be attacked, and was killed after she left. Laufey wouldn’t have known where his son was hidden, so he would have assumed he lost both wife and son, when in reality, his son had been captured by the enemy.

    Rebecca ZapponeRebecca ZapponeАй бұрын
    • 1. Unless I'm remembering wrong that wasn't the plan for Loki at all, Odin's plan was to raise Loki as his son then place Loki as King of the Frost Giants and then that would unite Asguard & The Frost Giants but he threw out these plans as he grew to see Loki as his actual Son 2. We never see another Narrative other then Loki being abandoned so until something throws doubt into then Loki was abandon(if the creators wanted us to think Loki wasn't abandoned then they would have done something to imply it)

      Shikotsumyaku VarisShikotsumyaku VarisАй бұрын
  • Loki’s powers in the MCU (and actual mythology) are actually similar to his mother’s, which is noted in the second Thor film. She’s a sorceress and a “magician” too.

    Squeezie_ BSqueezie_ B11 ай бұрын
  • I can't wait to see your thoughts on the Loki show. The creators of the show literally made him confront himself.

    Lindsey KhamphouyLindsey Khamphouy11 ай бұрын
  • This is really good stuff. I’d like to see a part two analysis with the Loki series! Please

    Saucy SergSaucy Serg10 ай бұрын
  • I'm in love with the intro. First, that scene walking in SHIELD headquarters, and then your short summary, as well as the last words before the big pause "he deals with feeling like he's in Thor's shadow by just raising a ton of hell." God that just sums that part of him so well!

    Danielle GertsensteinDanielle Gertsenstein7 ай бұрын
  • Loki didn't know magic by nature because he's a frost giant. His adoptive mother taught him because he showed more interest in it than Thor. So his Skills come from nurture not nature.

    christiane1309christiane13096 ай бұрын
    • I suspect he had some innate magical ability. Same with Dr. Strange.

      Kaaren BockKaaren Bock6 ай бұрын
  • I'd love to see an expanded episode about how he changed and became proud to be Odin's son. Including the LOKI series because that variant of Loki also grows a lot during the series. :O

    Salfay Anna RitaSalfay Anna Rita9 ай бұрын
  • Loki gave me the impression of being someone who grew up somewhere that his particular talents were undervalued. He was a sneaky sorcerer in a world that valued bold warriors (like a nerd/theatre kid growing up in a world of jocks). He was very proud of what he could do but he was frustrated that no one else around him (except for his mother) really appreciated his talents, so he started thinking of them as too stupid to recognise him for the amazing person that he was, thus the ego.

    Λlyxandra ΛBB0TTR0N1XΛlyxandra ΛBB0TTR0N1X Жыл бұрын
    • Perfectly described. In the comics def explains that.

      sharpaycutie2sharpaycutie211 ай бұрын
    • @Chris Kelly i would say that is true as well

      Dave ConradDave Conrad11 ай бұрын
    • He is only TRULY affected by dissapointing (or hurting) his Mum.

      Chris KellyChris Kelly11 ай бұрын
    • Also see: Stuart and the skids in Letterkenney

      KiyanKiyan11 ай бұрын
    • Nice comment!

      Dave ConradDave Conrad11 ай бұрын
  • To really understand Loki's character development, you've gotta watch the TV series. Sure, Marvel's TV is almost always weak (at best), but this one thing is really interesting.

    KAZKAZ3 ай бұрын
  • 10:00 In all honesty, if a therapist says "I've never seen it go well" the could be some level of confirmation bias involved, because the families where it goes well will probably not be seen at a therapist or at family counseling

    Doomse ZTDDoomse ZTD5 ай бұрын
  • I would love you guys to do a second part on the Loki narrative now that his arch has changed so much with the Loki TV show coming out last summer.

    Ash8513Ash85134 ай бұрын
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