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@Jacova Wernett OK!
@Jacova Wernett Did not mean to suggest you should stop. By all means, keep going.
@John T. Lyon....I can't just ignore prescient visions behind my eyes. You seem jealous. Articulate why I should stop.
@John T. Lyon No..you are not God or my boss.
Its surreal that I've been subbed to you since 2015 from watching the Game of Thrones lore videos. Now in 2022, still following you for more lore videos on different media that I love. Thank you and keep up the amazing work as always!
@MrJRoberts0113 Dune came first. GOT is dune with dragons instead of worms and water and ice instead of spice and sand.
I've been telling people that Dune is literally Game of Thrones in space. LOL.
same here, this guy had THE BEST episode overviews and explanations. Really like this collage of images that he is presenting. A marvel on the youtube really
2015....hmm life was alright
yeah so surreal that a youtuber who makes content on mainstream fantasy shows would make content on a mainstream fantasy movie. so surreal bro.
First of all, cheers to you for citing evidence via quotes for almost every claim you make. That must have been time consuming and annoying but *boy* does it add a lot to the video. Also, the visual aids were so incredibly helpful for a person who hasn’t read the books (like me). Without them, I would have gotten confused with all the names, plot lines, and locations. Amazing video, keep up the stellar work!!
@Nathan Thompson i started reading this book in 1981, i was 10. couldn't do it. at 15 i tried again, now i have read every Frank and Brian Herbert Dune novel written, all of Frank's more than once.
You just have to read the book. I read Dune when I was in seventh grade. It had been out for a couple years. My brothers were also reading it, and we sat in the living room together reading for hours. It was a thrilling experience because it's a thrilling story. Dune was published in 1965. Frank Herbert spent six years writing it. It's one of the best science fiction novels of all time.
100% agree. Good job, good job, good job.
You are missing out, if you've never read the original Dune. It is one of the best science fiction books ever released, and it is, for all intents and purposes, beautiful in its imagery, and its ability to explain complexities of the characters, and their interactions. It's definitely one of the best books ever written. It's one that more teachers should be teaching in their creative writing courses.
Wait til you discover Alt Shift X Game of Thrones….
I've always found the Yueh betrayal too "easy" whether it's in the book or the movie. So this guy is supposed to have endured a mental training like no other in order to prevent him from betraying his "master". Yet the first time in the book we meet a guy like that, it's him, and he betrays his master immediately... The reason ? His wife. If it's vital that these guys don't betray anyone, why are they allowed to have a family ?
And that is just Yueh. Now think about Thufir Hawat, the Warrior Mentat, who is in charge of the entire Atreides Security/Military. This was the third betrayal that got under his nose, and each had terrible consecuences. I'll recall them for good measure: 1) The betrayal of Helen Richese, wife to Paulus Atraides, Paul Atraides paternal grandfather. With the help of Harkonnen agents, she got a bull drugged, so the drugged bull killed Paulus in the bullring, an sport Paulus found of his liking and practiced often. 2) The betrayal of Kailea Vernius: Kailea was the first concubine to Leto Atreides I, Paul's father. Again, influenced by another Harkonnen agent that found it's way to the Atreides household (right under Thufir's nose) Kailea ploted the death of Leto Atreides I, but only achieved to kill their only son by accident. In her grieff, Kailea commited suicide. 3) The betrayal of Suk Doctor Welington Yueh: again, the Harkonnens using something as simple as holding Yueh's wife hostage, managed to bring down all of the Atreides military might. How could someone who's primary reason to live is security, could have been outsmarted not one, but three times? And when captured, instead of finishing with his own live, manages to keep on living by doing something demeaning every single day, just to die by his own hand in front of Paul, to no practical end in sight.
@Jonathan Cox Hi, I understand you and I could agree with you: emotions, human nature...ok. What surprised me when I read it as a teenager, is that House Atreides had not reached the same conclusion, that people, no matter how trained we are, are ruled by emotions.
@David Martínez Peláez you guys are missing the human nature and behavior part of dune...what will one do for love?
This is where human nature and behavior comes into play...what will one do for love?
If you look at the full picture he didnt entirely betray the family. The family was always going to be destroyed no matter what. He had control on how Paul could escape and also stop any more conflict by trying to kill the baron. He made the correct decision.
this is what i love so dearly about the content you create. I had no interest, no knowledge, no exposure to dune at all. But after watching this video i feel so deeply interested in knowing more and i will genuinely look into reading the book myself. I always feel so much more informed whenever i watch these videos and they always help me paint a clearer picture in my mind about what i'm watching or reading. Thank you so much for putting the incredible time and effort into making this content!
@En théo You cannot travel faster than light. It's not just disturbing. It's impossible. I don't know what Frank Herbert was smoking when he came up with the idea of travelling faster than light. Did he also claim in Dune that 1 + 1 = 3?
@0ne.p01nt.zer0 Zer0 Dude, WTF?
Go for it! It's been almost 50 years since I first read Dune and then the following five books as they were published and became available. They are my favorite books.
Yes, but the movie was already 3 hours long. It doesn't have time to cover the intricacies of the Dune empire whilst still showing the beauty of the vast planet, introducing everybody who didn't see the original/read the books into the world of Dune. They didn't show everything about each planet, because some of it is very tropic, now, simply because of the original. And on top of it, the movie had to cover the story line of the original, introduce each of the characters, and give them all some introduction "bit" so the audience could see what they are about--like Thufir rolling his eyes back and "thinking deep."
Honestly read it...the mid 1980's film put me off for a long time... Then I thought what the hell... And its probably one of the best books written.
This movie was one of my favorite book adaptations, and while it takes some liberties with the story to adapt to the movie format, I was impressed by how closely it resembles the book. Perhaps my favorite thing about the movie is that they don't feel the need to explain things, they show instead of telling. The only thing I really wish they would have changed is showing Jessica as a schemer, and much more manipulative - its weird having her be such a flat mother template character and she lacks a lot of depth as a result of being reduced to basic motherly tropes.
@Manawa Temple OS cap, my nigga. Next!
@Manawa You forget this is supposed to be thousands of years in the future. I'd be surprised if anyone remembers Islam in 2000 years.
@Manawa Jesus dude! You'd rather a movie where the oppressive force that crushes freedom and liberty is clearly pointed out as being Islam? You know you'd be upset at that too as you'd just look for something racial you could complain about.
As someone who finally is deciding to get into Dune, it’s really weird realizing that “oh… everybody in all of fiction stole from this” even more than LOTR it feels like
@brooksboy78 i mean all of sci-fi uses asimov's three laws, even when they dont specifically name them. If it has robots, or androids -- asimov is involved. every time. ffs he invented the word robotics. so yeah while fantasy is massively influenced by tolken, same for scifi with asimov.
@Nathan Thompson I feel like you're discussing a comment you never read... I said that Herbert writes a lot of descriptions instead of writing dialogues and your counter argument is: "You liar, he writes a lot of descriptions" "could even describe very abstract general ideas without directly telling us" Sorry, I don't speak mumbo jumbo, can you give an example of one of his "description of a very abstract general ideas he made without directly telling us"?
@Playlist4Ella This just took a Joseph Campbell turn. Folks: read Hero with a Thousand Faces.
@Hype Ninja Unfortunately. Because Foundation sucked. Bad.
@IronFreee I feel like you're discussing a book you never read as though you've read it. One of the greatest things about Herbert is that he definitely doesn't do this...he's not just descriptive of the characters, he's descriptive of their feelings and could even describe very abstract general ideas without directly telling us. He was very, very good about that...
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Thanks for pointing out that Duke Atreides was not so morally pure in the book. The movie weakens the story a lot by expurgating this unseemly side of House Atreides which so accentuated Paul's accomplishments in the book.
Atreides was pretty spotless in the first half of the book. The only thing that is morally gray is Hawat's espionage and assassinations, but even then, the Atreides are continually described as having honor and genuineness. Paul, Jessica and Hawat are the only Atreides that seem overly manipulative and calculating, to the point of taking advantage of people and using their lives for their own purpose.
personally i think it strengthens the turn Paul goes through from Dune to Messiah. The once honorable and righteous Atreides banner now being a symbol for untold destruction and death around the galaxy
I feel like they're going to include more of that in the second movie because they wanted to make it into a twist
While the movie was good, I had a lot of questions afterwards. Thankfully I watched it with someone who read the book, so I could ask a few things. This video helped explain the movie even more, thanks! For instance, it was never really explained in the film why Paul stayed still when that remote assassin dart came after him. It's also nice to know about the mentat, the movie didn't really explain if that guy was just really smart, if other people had his abilities, or what other things he could do. I wish the movie would have better explained the political situation that set the plot in motion. I really didn't have a clue why the Emperor wanted the Atreides destroyed, when the Harkonnens seemed like much more of a threat. But their popularity with the other houses makes things clearer. Having not read the book, I theorized that Paul's visions in the movie were looking into potential futures. Actually since several of his visions involved his death, I thought he could possibly have an 'Edge of Tomorrow' power where when he dies he flashes back but retains some of the knowledge he gained in that time. It's interesting how controlling ones desires and thinking logically is seen as what makes us human, and those who can't control their desires are seen as beasts. But those who push the limits of that logical thinking also seem to become less human, like how Paul feels when he awakens his powers and the navigators too. Perhaps there is a theme of balance between desire and logic?
@Metamétodo, research "Biopantheism"
Dude you got it ,to me the dune story was never about the violence it is about human nature and behavior!!!!
@cedo3333 That's really pathetic.
@Andrewnicorn You know not everyone love reading! That's more a before 2000 culture thing ;)
Oy! That was a brutal initiation is any ;) I assume that you have a good time anyway? I first started my journey in Dune with the books and ever since i have watched all the tv series, movies and all. If someone need my recommendation, i do love the mini (not really mini btw) series that Altshift X have shown a few bit there and there. That's the most faithfull adaptation and a true fan of this universe must watch it ;) I, personnaly found myself quite disapointed by this new movie but can't argue with people loving it or discovering this universe because hey, we are always pleased to see people in hollywood interested by Dune ;)
This must have taken an absolute AGE to make. Well done as always, Alt Shift X!
Alt Shift X releasing 86 minutes of analysis on Dune. Bless the Maker and His water.
Frustratingly introductory level analysis.
@Caliban at large thank you for this. I am a true super fan of the books. I view them as cannon, and the first Dune movie did a slightly better job explaining some things but not all, because it would be too long for a movie 🤷🏽♀️ But the 2021 movie? No I couldn’t watch it again without seeing as you did that they changed too much. Like no one watching the new movie would pick up that Jessica is the daughter of Mohiem and the Baron……🧐🧐🧐
@Vidrigsson nah you are correct, hence The God Emperor or Dune 😘
@self biased “May his passing cleanse the universe.”
bless his coming and going
This video is unfathomably well produced. I can't even begin to imagine how much work was required to pull everything together into this cohesive masterpiece
Well done! I was so bummed that they completely skipped the dinner party as it sets the tone for pretty much everything. I thought the movie was done reasonably well, it captured all the "feels" that the book carried. I think you're right that this book is not filmable in a way us book nerds would like.
Agreed, it’s unfortunate but that’s what makes books so irreplaceable as media
This was easily the best summation and clearification of Dune's essential ideas and plot points thus far! Thank you so much for the extensive effort you obviously put into this video!!!
It's a miracle that you managed to summarize the Dune universe and make it sound like a story about real people and not a bunch of androids.
@M K I don't deny that, but when I read Dune I found myself not caring what happened to any of these people. They didn't feel like real people, just robots with large egos and rivalries.
That's because they're characters. Even if the characterization isn't as big as we're used to seeing now, the characters do have goals and grow
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING ARTIST CREDITS!!!! So rarely done anymore.
This is such a nuanced analysis. Loved it. Hope to see your analysis when the next movie comes out!
I really appreciate how even for significant thematic changes in the movie you maintain a neutral, explanatory tone. It's encouraging (and well in the spirit of novel itself) to leave the burden of consideration to the viewer. Well done!
I never read the book and saw the movie with a friend who happened to be a fan. I wasn’t interested in this video, but it played automatically after a video about the game SOMA and I’m glad I kept listening. I listened to the whole thing while working and it felt like I was learning world history. You’ve inspired me to read more, read all of the dune series, and read about history, so thank you. The way you speak and structured your script made this video so entertaining.
The film really needed a scene where they explained the importance of Mentats in a society where thinking machines are illegal, and reveal to Paul that he has what it takes to become a Mentant himself.
@Shankar Ravikumar Oh it definitely is about good versus evil, but it's about good utilizing their manipulation to overcome evil.
@Thergood No, they left his mainstreaming for the next movie. He's still definitely a major playah.
@Sergeant Bean That's actually where the name Mentat in Fallout came from, Dune, it inspired a lot of things such as 40k and Star Wars
@Joseph Seger they truly want a MOVIE (not a book) to have a 5 page long infodump. Thats not gonna work lol
This was thorough and having read all the books twice and seen all the movies multiple times, I learned a few things. I am looking forward to Gaius learning her place in Paul's presence in the next movie.
“To yield and give way to our passions is the lowest slavery, even as to rule over them is the only liberty.” - St. Justin Martyr This quote is so pertinent to what humanity is in Dune. Despite his power, Harkonnen is a slave to all his urges.
That is also a definition of sin
@JeThoreau It's from the book The Ante-Nicene Fathers, a collection of book about the early christians.
What I'm hoping for is that the Dune films continue to have a narrow scope and focus on Paul's story. Then WB needs to capitalize and get a Dune series on HBO to tell the other stories. The Dune films aren't really capturing casual fans due to the immense depth of lore; expanding the universe in a format audiences respond to would be a smart move. Whats even better, there are 6 books (keep Brian Herbert FAR away from it) to adapt. Its a well written and rounded (even if it does get fucking weird) story that doesn't need the guesswork that caused the declining quality of GoT after they ran out of books to follow.
When I saw a movie I didn't get it at all. It seemed so slow but so packed with so many topics and worlds and politics and important characters that seems to die a couple of minutes after introduction. This review actually motivates me to dig into the books. It simply feels like the content that is worth digging into.
@Matt Beckmann The Mapes scene is foreshadowing and revealed how the Reverend mothers messed with society but the character r herself could be anyone. The dinner scene was great because it showed small scale politics and the up crust society of Dune, also world building like “what is drowning?”
that could work
I've thought a bit about how Dune (just the first book) could be a trilogy of movies. The 1st movie would be a tragedy (keeping the Fremen very mysterious), the 2nd movie would be Paul's coming of age story (starting with him and Jessica surviving in the desert, and making a big deal of his first kill), and the 3rd movie would be a war story (staring with Paul becoming a sandrider and reuniting with Gurney and going through the Battle of Arrakeen). The big issue with my mind trilogy is I can't really figure out what to use as a climax of the 2nd movie. Your proposal of a TV show is probably better. It would need to have a blockbuster-sized budget though!
@Peter W Interesting. I agree that the Mapes scene doesn't do much for the movie. In the books it's a key moment, but the complexity of the situation can't really be done on film. The dinner party is similar, but the film could have had it at least accomplish one or two of the things it does in the books. If nothing else, we needed some hint of a larger society on Arrakeen.
... Eva, how is your journey fareing with the book version of Dune-?
Fantastic video, I love the world of Dune
@bataviaborobudur you're afraid of expanding your mind then. fear is the mind killer.
@bataviaborobudur In the last two books, Dune is actually left behind as an unimportant place, as technology has advanced beyond the dependence on spice. So you should keep on reading ;)
Dune is a weird scifi. The main plot never leaves the planet Dune, yet it's scifi you see spaceships coming and going or there are scenes in other home planets, yet the main plot stays in the planet Dune, even in future movies/books as far as i know. It's like the planet Dune is the center of the universe and everything revolve around it. I know it's spice but it's not working for me, and I cannot get past it.
huh. a wild Electrified Armament
@G B 💀
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I read Dune when I was 15, because my Klingon-speaking genius friend said it was awesome. 25 years later I read it again and I was still in awe of the depth and detail of this world.
I enjoyed both, but man was the movie just done incredibly well. So freaking good!!
Great video. The film makers did a wonderful job with challenging material.
The name Harkonnen comes from a Finnish surname Härkönen which comes from the word härkä meaning bull. So in a way Paul is also fighting a bull
Aligns with his other grandfather
@onglogman Most cases it's true. I was taught it to be absolutely true but then I looked it up. Oxen are most likely going to be castrated bulls, but not necessarily. If you are crazy or desperate enough to hook an intact bull to your cart (or plow) then we are obliged to humor you by agreeing that it's "oxen"... ;-)
@P Heresy @windows bulls are intact male cows, an ox is a castrated bull. Still cows. Like a male horse is a stallion, a castrated male horse is a gelding. Still horses
I like it. Even if Herbert probably didn't make them as Finns, I like to think they are Finnish or other Finnic descendants from Russia.
@Slevin Channel i haven't, I'll give it a look ty
Love your overall take on this. Dune books are my favorite books period as Frank Herbert is my favorite science fiction author. Loved the latest Dune movie for the most part. Wish we saw an actual city with people moving about it as we didn't see that even on Caladan. It just made it seem like everything was taking place in a small vacuum. I actually loved Alec Newman as Paul Atreides in the early 2000s Dune then-Sci-Fi channel TV miniseries. And James McAvoy played Paul Atreides' son Leto in the Children of Dune sequel. I HIGHLY recommend it. Graphics are not top notch but the acting and storytelling is pretty good
i recently watched dune for the first time. i enjoyed its atmospheric feel, how immersive the sound and look was. my thoughts were that this move looks and sounds very expensive. but at the same time, while i was drawn to it, i ultimately couldn't decide if i liked it or not. i watched the whole movie with interest but in the end i felt like i was missing something. luckily for me, i found what i was missing--this video. i'm glad that i watched the movie first, then this video. i got so much more out of the movie (and frank herbert's creation), even though it was delayed by a couple of days.
1:20:58 my interpretation of it was that the movie wanted to give a more metaphorical meaning to Paul's visions. by killing Jamis, Paul truly ceased to be "just Paul" (which is reinforced by the "vision voice", telling him that taking a life means taking your own), which could be why he saw himself being killed by Jamis before the fight. Jamis also seems a lot more rational/calm/Mentatlike in Paul's vision, in contrast with how he actually acts. Jamis really wanted to challenge Paul because his ego was wounded after being pushed away by a kid. even if Paul did end up winning in reality, Jamis is his friend and he did teach him the way of the desert. Arrakis is a horrible place that will require adaptation to survive, and Paul will need to change even further because of who he is. losing his innocence then was a necessary step for him to truly become fremen.
Thank you so much for doing this video. As a person who read the entire Dune series when I was young, and likely forgot many of its nuances, your video has single-handedly galvanized me to re-read this masterpiece of a series, especially after watching the movie, and feeling the absence of the dinner party scene like an emptiness in my chest. I still really liked the movie, and hope to see them capture some more of the spirit of the books. I hope us Dune fans end up pleasantly surprised with what is to come.
One small detail. Spice does not smell like cinnamon. Due to its psychological effects it smells different to every single person, but specifically of cinnamon to Dune's main character, Paul
Frank Herbert's deleted chapters in 'Road to Dune' say that spice does smell like cinnamon because of its composition. The cut chapters aren't canon, especially since they contradict Jessica and Yueh's canon conversation, but then spice is described as cinnamon-scented throughout the rest of the series and from other characters' points of view.
@Phil The Philosopher it probably means there's a distinct smell to it, but very few have smelt Cinnamon before so bracket into the nearest smelling object. I dont know though so perhaps it does.
"Due to its psychological effects it smells different to every single person," matter of perception. only the Kwisatz Haderach would know how individuals actually perceive the senses. Is my idea of blue the exact same blue as yours? probably quite close but after eons on different planets maybe not so much.
@Paavo Bergmann To be honest from his perspective everything has be falling apart during his reign no matter what he does.
@Blax Poitation Shaddam IV in the book comes off as slightly unhinged to me, so...
thank you so much for making this video. I’ve never read or seen any of the source material so this was extremely informative and helpful. can’t wait for part 2!!
According to my Audible account, I've listened to the six main books 22 times each, and I'm pretty sure it's my favorite book series ever. I got excited for the movie series in a way I haven't felt since I was six and got a Sega Genesis for Christmas for Christ's sake! I have my issues with the movies but this latest one is just so good!!!
As a fan of Dune since I first read it in the 80s, I have read and reread and all of Frank Herbert's Dune books multiple times and this comparison of the book and movie is brilliant. I've also kept up with the prequels by his son Brian Herbert written with Kevin J. Anderson, which although not as good as the original are taken from Frank Herbert's notes and fill in any and all gaps in the story.
Good evening from Spain. I would like to know your opinion... Years ago I read Dune and the Messiah, and now I'm rereading the first book. My intention at the end is to reread The Messiah of Dune, but...do you think it would be appropriate to read Paul of Dune (Brian/Kevin's) between the two? Thanks!
Well done. I think you nailed it pretty well. The constant retelling of the story changes the original story, sometimes it adds to it, other times it takes from it, and the Dune story is one of the better ones. I think they will go more into the make up of the characters, especially the enemy.
I feel like Leto and Jessica are one the deepest, most tragic love stories you could ever read. It's not about two people who sacrificed everything for their love, but rather of two people who sacrificed their love for the greater good, because they knew that in the grand scheme of things, their relationship was not important to anyone but them. They would never give up their duties just to be together, because they know that that is not what the other one would have wanted. I think this is a much deeper and much more selfless form of love, one that makes me shed a tear every time I read this book.
@StruggleOn Even worse than that: Lady Jessica chose to bear a boy instead of a girl as she was meant too. Bene Gesserit had this much control over their own bodies. This is no small feat, as she herself was a valued Bene Gesserit member, trained by Gaius Helen Mohiam herself. It was pretty clear to her and the Sisterhood, that she was one step away from giving birth to the Kwisatz Haderach, and she had been trained for this specific purpose. Her decision to mother a boy as a sign of love to her husband was also a sign of the depth of her love to Leto Atreides.
@Susie Grieser It's books, actually. 6.
Herbert puts an extra layer of complexity on that one too in Children of Dune. Not that it changes the story, but there are aspects in Lady Jessica that are not obvious in the first book, like her relation to the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam and how involved she herself was with the Bene Gesserit.
@Kartik Rajesh no
@Kartik Rajesh what, where did you get that from?
As someone who knows all this, it was still awesome to hear it so detailed and precise. Nice work
As a hardcore fan of the book. You did an amazing job explaining the book so that it was easy to understand. Great video!
Wow. This video was amazing! Thank you so much for making it. I can't even imagine how much time and work went into it.
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"Game of thrones, in space, on drugs" is such a formidable pitch: it sounds so 60s yet Dune talks about such fundamentally human topics it manages to be timeless
Dune Game of Thrones Lord of the Rings Brave New World Brilliant stories written by geniuses & the list goes on
@M K You didn't read my comment thorougly, did you? Dune is more of a mythological theater. We have THE good prince, THE good duke, THE evil baron etc. It is a very structured story with structured pure characters, exemplary in their functions. Each character has a certain cultural background and ethos which has to be followed. So, the story is constructed to play out historical and philosophical questions about the way that mankind may take in the future. In GoT the characters are not so pure. They are more realistic and down to earth. Characters are thrown into the turmoils of the world and have to adapt to the mud. What I criticize here, is the overly vulgarity that always prevails. Blood and sperm to the pleasure of the spectators. After watching this you wouldn't think that there was a strict etiquette in European medieval courts.
@varelion Nah Dune is better at worldbuilding but the characters and story of GoT is easily better
@michaelsasylum Season 1-4 of GoT managed to the job. Everything after that... not so much. I know that it's easy to ignore the good parts because of the ending but they still exist
@The Hammer Game of thrones books on the same level of not better than Dune imo
this video absolutely and perfectly sums the first film, and the amount of work that went into making it is commendable. this is perfect!
In the Villeneuve rendition, the seed of Yueh's betrayal narrative needed to begin at the beginning (i.e., when Yueh makes his first appearance), and not at the tail end, when he'd already accomplished his vile and short-sighted evil plan. And even then it felt unexplained, and we only got a barely adequate taste of motivation in the seconds before the malevolent Baron "took action". And absolutely zero tangible mention of how Yueh is supposedly locked into a loyalty function and is by the nature of his kind unable to betray the masters that they serve. That's what sets up the dramatic twist. That omission was problematic for the uninitiated. I had the benefit of having read the book immediately prior to going to the movie theater to see this. I felt good for myself, but not so good for the non-initiated.
This was amazing, I missed so much without having read the book that this was absolutely necessary to really appreciate Dune
Thank you so much for making this, very educational on dune lore. I love coming back to this video, studying. Can't wait for part two of the dune movie to come out.
Without having read the books, I like that the movies just tosses you into Dune's world. It feels authentic, like a world with a long history and its cultures have their own customs, traditions and ways of speaking. You just KNOW that there's some proper world building behind all of it and don't need boring exposition to explain every detail. Similar to how Mad Max Fury road forces the audience to accept the new world without explanation. To me that's strong and immersive world building.
I felt that the movie didnt accomplish that but to each their own i guess
This version looks to me like it was made with one thought in mind.. an Oscar for Cinematography. Overall my ticket to see it was a waste of money. Won't be looking forward to the second one. Sorry as an avid fan of the books, this movie missed the mark by a longshot. To start with choice of actors.. then changing a very main character to fit an audience segment. Once I saw these two very important things the movie almost immediately lost any credibility in my mind. Then we come to find Jason Mamoa's Duncan Idaho is a laughing boob.. sorry that just doesn't fit. Why did they cast Mamoa as Duncan Idaho? No character development for the baron. I felt too much emphasis on the camera and not enough on the script. Sorry.. it's a fail for me. The mini series got closest to the mark..
@Jerome Alday You're incorrect. There's several implications in Fury Road about how the culture there works but it's never explicitly explained, most of it is implied through language and set design. One example would be the warboy cult and V8 worship. None of this is explained and can only be inferred from what you see on screen. Another good example are the 3 seconds of people on stilts. They're never explained on screen and serve as subtle world building. Also Paul landing on Arrakis is essentially the same setup as an audience insert since Paul also doesn't know about the planet and culture and we learn with him...
@Bry bruh...we already living the danger of AI!. Have you seen your shopping habit nowadays!?
WRONG, In Mad Max, You have Max as an audience surrogate. He's just some dude who stumbles into Immortan Joe's kingdom. This is new to him as its new to us and characters explain things to him throughout the movie. the more accurate description is that Mad Max doesn't tell the whole picture, only parts that were pivotal to the story. So no, Mad Max doesn't force you to accept the world without explanation. You experience and learn it with Max.
37:50 Maybe someone already said, but at the beginning of the film you can actually see the book-reminiscing version of the spice harvesters: the Harkonnen have them, and they seem to be more advanced spice-harvesters. They take them when they leave Arrakis to further sabotage the Atreides. It's sad they're only visible there, especially because they look fantastic. I hope they re-appear in the future, possibly in Messiah.
Interesting take on Paul's vision of Jamis. I thought the vision did come true, but not literally. Jamis tells Paul in the vision that he will show Paul the ways of the desert and by challenging him, he did, so I thought the vision came true, but in an unexpected way.
You just made me buy the first Dune book.. I can't imagine how much work this video must have taken.. Thank you!!
Thank you, this was incredible informative. I love that Dune (2021) did an amazing job of getting its story across without a ton of exposition. Not knowing the very fine details didn't impact my understanding or enjoyment at all!
I've got to say this was probably the best synopsis of the Dune universe ever. Accessible, not an overload of information, enjoyable to watch as a beginner or as a veteran reader of the Dune series, but also comprehensive. Loved it!
@Chris Dune is a very cynical story
You should see Jodorovsky's Dune if you havent already. Also great.
im certainly picking up the whole book series next time when i get the chance to go on my first voyage
makes me wanna read the books
I read the books over 50 times for decades. This is so well done and explained. I love it. Perfect for people who love the movie, and havent read the books.
Watching this before reading the book helps so much! Iv tried to read it a couple times, and i gave up everytime cause i found it so confusing, but now im enjoying reading it so far. Thank u for explaining everything! It helps a ton
Your analysis is superb: i loved this book since i was 15 and always revered Herbert's work! Thanks for sharing 🙏
I read the Dune series a while back, you are amazing, I felt a lot of nostalgia remembering such experience, Dune is to this day my fav book. I honestly think some pieces of Sci fi do that, Dune and the Startrek TV series
What a well thought-out and thorough review of the story up to this point. Thank you for giving us this treat! I place the 2021 movie amongst my top 5 favorite movies, but when you listed the important scenes that were left out, I found myself shouting "Yes!" after each one! Having said that, I cannot wait for pt2 to come out next year.
Having both read the book and watched the movie, I can now say that this video finally made me understand what is actually happening
@Fallen Down There's also boargames, the old Dune boardgame is considered a masterpiece. (And having played it many times, it is)
@hello: wise words…💪 but also funny.
come on it's not that hard lol
there is just sooooooo muuuch Dune lore
Great video, you nailed it all. Having read all the books myself, it is funny knowing "Duncan's" future... I would love to see Dennis get to make the entire series... I sadly doubt it - but remain hopeful.
I watched the movie, became entirely enthralled and had a buddy who loves Dune fill in the gaps. Then I just said screw it, got audible and listened to Dune. Amazing book and shows how amazing Denis's version is. But then I listened to Messiah and WHEW, SHIT GETS CRAZY.
Great video! Thanks for the in depth explanation. Really appreciate all of your hard work 🎉
I first read Dune back in the 80s when I was 20, after I had to endure the shitty 80s movie version of Dune. I've always loved the book, it even made the first movie more tolerable. I've been waiting for a first-rate movie version, and Villeneuve has finally done it! But I post this to salute you! This is the best breakdown of the "Duniverse" in both its movie and book versions I've ever listened to. Well done!
I don’t acknowledge the existence of that first Dune movie. It’s one if the worst things Ive ever seen. The worst offense was turning the cold, calculating Baron Harkonnen into basically a rabid dog. They completely ruined one of the series’ most complex characters.
Very interesting I do ask though as somebody who has basically saw the early dune works and is certified OG I do ask what did you think of the newest dune movie and why you think it
7:40 The spice doesn't just taste like cinnamon. Yueh responds to Jessica saying it does by saying it's "never twice the same." He then explains that some believe that the spice "produces a learned-flavor reaction. The body, learning a thing is good for it, interprets the flavor as pleasurable--slightly euphoric." Jessica just tasted cinnamon. (This happens at the end of chapter 8 of the first book.)
@w花b lsd can be very mystical.
@w花b elaborate what you meah by "drugs(that are way more powerful)" ...which drugs would those be?
So it’s like manna
@frantisek hajek well LSD is just some mere chemical, it's still a drug at the end of the day. Is it really that mystical? If that's the case, a lot of other drugs(that are way more powerful) can be considered mystical too.
I've read 6 of the Dune books and I would absolutely LOVE for you to explain them all in the same way you did this video. You have all my likes and subscription please consider this ! I would be so thankful.
I love this book series. I'm excited to see how the rest of this adaptation comes out. Tell me of the water of your homeland muad dib
This video is a true masterpiece summarizing the intricate details that define Dune and what makes it so special.
Amazing job, you refreshed the movie and the book for me, but you missed a pretty important part. The reason the Emperor was willing to assist House Harkonnen to kill the Atreides (even though he finds the Harkonnens distasteful himself) is that the Atreides are the only ones that have ever trained warriors with abilities closest to the Sardaukar. This more than his popularity is why the Emperor sees him as a threat. The only way the Harkonnens won the fight on the Dune was that they were able to entomb most of the Atreides in tunnels avoiding a lot of direct fighting.
This was very good. There are some really crucial thematic differences between the text and the recent film, all of which I failed to notice. Thanks for this!
Think you missed the fact that when he has these visions he is actually having experiences as well like with jamis. He learned from him as if he was there and spent the time with him. It would be amazing to see him transcend time this way and learn skills in seconds from experiences that would of lasted months or years
Great summary. Very interested in how they decide to do God Emperor Dune down the line. Feels like it's going to be a very strange experience for non-book readers. I love the movie (bought it and have watched it many times) but I thought leaving out the scene of him shedding tears missed a chance to reinforce the water part of the firemen culture like the spitting did. It also explained more of the bond he had as opposed to just "oh well this guy killed our member he's with us now."
Thanks for this. I loved science fiction growing up. Dune instantly became one of my favorites, reading it again and again. Now 40 years later, I have forgotten the story.
Love this, read Dune a lot as a kid and it’s awesome to see you cover it so coherently ❤️
I like they attention but he got a ton wrong here
Did you read all 6 novels by Frank Herbert? I've been told the last 3 by him are hard to follow and they aren't that important
aw hell nahhh! LIMC in the flesh?
i love youre content man
You're possibly the last person I had expected to have read Dune, but perhaps I shouldn't be surprised as you followed his Game of Thrones vids too.
One of the beauties of dune is that apart from the desert, very little is described in detail in terms of appearance. It must be such a joy as a production designer to tackle it and feel free to put your own flavour on the look of everything.
Thank you so much for this video. Brilliant analysis. I loved the movie and definitely will read the book. I can't believe I've lived this long without reading it
Having read all the books in the original series, I think this is an excellent review of the first half of the first book. I haven't seen the 2021 version yet.
Awesome stuff!! Loved this and I like how you talked about the author and his exploration of consciousness
Every video you put out is so well made and you are so good at explaining these super complex stories. Thank you for your work, we all appreciate it!
That we do. Mans is a lore beast.