Film Theory: Encanto, The Madrigal Family SECRET!
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By the end of Encanto, we see Dolores united with her prince charming - or at least that is what it seems like from the outside. Theorists, when watching Encanto for the 100th time, my mind started thinking a little too hard about the whole Madrigal family and their magical, secluded town. Let's just say MAYBE they should hold off on the wedding for a while...
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Credits:
Writers: Matthew Patrick and Zach Stewart
Editors: Forrest Lee and Danial "BanditRants" Keristoufi
Assistant Editor: Caitie Turner (viridianrosette)
Sound Editor: Yosi Berman
Kinda impressive how MatPat was able to take a movie like Encanto and managed to conclude that everyone was simply a result of methodically planned out inbreeding.
I haven’t even started watching yet and now I’m scared, but not surprised
huh why did you change your Png?
bro I literally noticed the inbreeding the first time I noticed that they were entirely surrounded by mountains. Simply because I remember random stuff and I remember that one group of people in Kentucky were subjected to this in similar circumstances (no magic involved, but they were surrounded entirely by mountains which is what I meant by similar circumstances)
How long will it take him to do a stranger things season 4 theory
Disney does this on purpose
Regarding the road and the bridge, my interpretation is that Luisa is re-arranging the town for the wedding. That's why she's moving the church to a more central location, that's why she's diverting the river and moving the bridge because she diverted the river and now it flows on a new path, thus needed her to move the existing bridge to a new location.
"We haven't stopped" is the struggle of a parent, good luck with the rest of the movie binge watching Mat
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Kinda impressive how MatPat was able to take a movie like Encanto and managed to conclude that everyone was simply a result of methodically planned out inbreeding.
Hmm
Regarding the road and the bridge, my interpretation is that Luisa is re-arranging the town for the wedding. That's why she's moving the church to a more central location, that's why she's diverting the river and moving the bridge because she diverted the river and now it flows on a new path, thus needed her to move the existing bridge to a new location.
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That makes sense
@YOU Mn man,
Luisa changed around the road in the very beginning, so it would've been for Antonio's Gift Ceremony, not the wedding.
@Cold Gold true. I always assumed that diverting the river had something to do with crops, irrigation, new seasons, whatever. But changing the course of the river would be reason to rearrange the whole town. I could see Abuela taking advantage of that to make the town perfect for the wedding because she likes to be prepared, so it might be partly true.
Mirabel, her sisters and cousins are the first generation of their family to be born within the Encanto. Presumably, there have only been one or two generations for other families in the village. Another comment mentioned how one of her family members (who married into the family) came from outside the village. But it couldn't hurt to have some more generic diversity lol
Finally another encanto theory …. Oh ….. well I wasn’t expecting that.
@Joshua EdwinRoehl What do you mean "It's finally here!" You have no video in your channel
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It was much worse than I thought of this theory
On the cracks appearing the first time: there’s a theory that Mirabel is somehow intricately linked to the magic, hence why she never got a door till the end of the movie. To support this, think about what took place shortly before the cracks appeared the first time: Mirabel feeling hopeless, shown by the line “am I too late for a miracle?” At the end of her song. This theme of Mirabel losing hope being tied to the cracks is shown again when Abuella starts verbally attacking Mirabel later and even during the initial dinner scene too, as Mirabel seems to be struggling to hold on to having hope but once Abuella, who always assumes Mirabel is useless or in the way due to her not having a gift, sees the prophecy, her mind automatically went to feeling dejected and hopeless.
I agree. She had some magic all along.
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Mirabel is the heart of the family like her Grandmother was , she is her grandmother's replacement.
One big flaw in this theory: despite starting with so few people they started with large amounts of diversity. Naturally, there would of been a mix of Native and Spanish genetics, and then there was also African genetic citizens as well. This makes it so there are large amounts of dominant genes to start that would combat any defective recessive. This also might be the reason for the ununiform studies for what a stable gene pool would need to be to start. Start with a bunch of similar people the you'll need to start with more, but if you have a heavily diverse pop you can start with less. And the Encanto starts with a fairly diverse population. So, you might need to get Austin back on the program to get more variables in there to included the amount of diversity that 3 genetic regions could have. Also, this would actually be a break through in considering a unifying formula to genetic diversity of small populations. So, definitely a worth while goal if nothing else. And maybe a revisit to other movies with small and/or devastated populations like Raya, Dragon's, and even Brave (considering the lack of diversity of those small populations)... Oh god, Hiccup is inbred...
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Mirabel, her sisters and cousins are the first generation of their family to be born within the Encanto. Presumably, there have only been one or two generations for other families in the village. Another comment mentioned how one of her family members (who married into the family) came from outside the village. But it couldn't hurt to have some more generic diversity lol
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@Margarita , yes, they were born on the outside, but they were born to the group of people that entered the valley, so it doesn't make much difference whether they were born outside or inside, they would still count as the first generation born to that group of people (except, perhaps, for any kids that made it to the valley without their parents, as they would bring in some extra genetic diversity for that younger generation).
Anyone under 50 had to have been born there, at a minimum. Even though the triplets present as much younger at the time of the film, all three are 50, and Julieta and Pepa would have been in their late 20s at the births of their oldest daughters, Isabella and Dolores, who are both 21 presently. Felix and Augustin were almost certainly among those original children among the refugees. We only see at most ten other people who look to be between Abuela's age or older and the triplet's age. Assuming that the Encanto was truly sealed off during this time, as the director and writer have stated, only around 50 of the total initial population would still be around and counting toward the population total. Though the grandkids were the first generation of Madrigals born in the Encanto, there are approximately 28 years before their births available for the rest of the population to grow.
@Child Of Icarus Alma's children were born before el encanto. Children born immediately after el encanto would have been conceived on the outside.
I feel like Senkos in Dr. Stones inbreeding explanation makes sense no one will be related after certain point.
I love how much Matpat goes and puts lots of his time in just one video.
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Now just to make people uncomfortable, I want to do this: “Your kids are beautiful!” “Thanks! They’re outbred.”
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Bridge in middle of road explanation theory: they had a boat too tall to go under the bridge, so Luisa picked up the bridge, puts it on the road off to the side (in a way that people can still walk over it so as to not cause a roadblock) then after the bridge passes and mirabel walks up into it, Luisa puts it back
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The cracks were real but heal when the family bands together. When Mirabel warned the family of the cracks and they all came running in support, it fixed. We see it do exactly that, in real time, when Isabel embraces Mirabel in front of a crack in Cassita.
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"We haven't stopped" is the struggle of a parent, good luck with the rest of the movie binge watching Mat
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fun fact, whenever I'm in the car with my little brother, we always listen to the Disney Movies like Encanto and Turning Red (as well as some other songs) thankfully, we're not always in the same car most of the time, so I don't need to worry about those same songs stuck in my head.
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The cracks were real they were an extension of meribel feeling like she wasn’t a part of the family for the first time and her “power” as the “patron” effected the house when she tells everyone what has happened she forgets those feeling and the damage is restored. Patron in the concept of warlocks as she is the next replacement for the candle so too is she tied to the magic of the house.
I remember somewhere people talking about how the two husbands were actually from outside the wall, so its not a matter of no one coming in. It's just very very hard to get in. But I would love to see how everyone learns about tech beyond the mountains now. lol
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It takes 3 generations to minimize genetic defects. Granted it’s always best to outsource genes, but still. They seem to have sufficient people so as long as they are careful it should be fine. Not to mention, natural mutations generally occur. While mutations occur in very small changes every generation, it’s still there.
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I’d love to see a theory of how strong Lisa is that scene with the bridge she’s holding it from the end the forces must be insane Would definitely be up Austin’s street
i have another theory though, i think the magic of the encanto is actually that it is a literal safe place. anyone who needs a safe haven or means no harm to it or its people, can find it and travel to it easy, but if anyone wo wants to find it and means to bring harm to anyone there, will be wondering around in circles and never find it. kind of like storybrook in once upon a time.
The house repairing itself after the first cracks was because the family came together in that moment because Mirabel told Abuela about it and she believed her.
“We haven’t stopped” well if you are feeling a bit bored about Encanto may I suggest another animation film released around the same time as Encanto? It’s called Luca and I think that has a lot of theory potential, go check it out! It’s a very good movie!
On a random note, I'm now just mentally hearing MatPat singing "We Don't Talk About Bruno" while walking around the house planning his theories for Encanto. That just lives rent free in my head now, especially cuz MatPat's voice is *amazing.*
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@Ryan Webb he sometimes sings little snippets of songs in various videos if a song comes to mind. And I love everything he's randomly sung bits of. His singing voice is so pretty ^__^
EXACTLY sometimes when writing essays I mentally read it in his voice, and phrase it how he would XD
Agreed, have you heard his singing voice?
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Mattpat, thank you for your dedication in counting multiple fictional people to the best of your ability and the countless times you have watched this film to bring us entertainment.
Matpat, i know how you feel. Ever since i bought the dvd for Encanto, My little brother and sister will not stop watching it. I’ve watched it with them over 14 times.
Honestly I would love to know the implications of twins in the inbreeding process. Abuela had triplets, which means that all three of them have the twin gene to pass on to all their offspring. And it is common that it skips one generation, so if there was another person among those first 50-75 to enter the Encanto with said genes, you could probably see a boom in twin births when the grandkids start marrying other people from the current 310 population.
Words not to be taken out of context “Nope, inbreeding is still in play!” 😂 and to have been there when you asked, “can you run me a bunch of mathematical hypotheticals to tell me if the people in encanto are inbreeding?” Dead 💀😂
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That’s fair but it’s revealed in the art book that Augustine is from outside the encanto so chances are there’s a trickle of people coming in
it sounds like a cult💀
@Amanda Croft but guys. Glasses have been a thing since the 1300's. More accurate prescriptions became a thing in the 1700's, and by the 1900's they already had hinge technology and bifocal lenses (that one was invented by Benjamin Franklin, apparently) even though most glasses were homemade. People did things without accurate machinery back then. They weren't just helpless and blinded.
@Toby Bartels sure but I mean in the context of the period of time not through the whole series. The issue I have is with world building not with the actual story more specifically the claim that you can totally cross the mountains but only when it's convenient to the plot.
@Chubby Punk: Now I want an Encanto / Hotel Transylvania crossover.
@Emeraldpichu: It's not an ongoing persecution; it's a civil war that's been over for decades. If the initial pursuers were frustrated, that's all that they really needed.
0:13 “Know diving in today friends because this gene pool is shallow.” Just the a perfect line 👌🤣 Mix between phrases, science, and just comedic timing I’m sorry I’m making this a whole thing I just loved that line.
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I was saying through out the video, "please talk about the open encanto!" So, inbreeding didn't occur in the encanto. Thanks so much MatPat! Such an interesting video! Will you do more minecraft lore theories? I love the minecraft theories so much!
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Inbreeding can cause disfigurement and madness along with A lot of other things. This theory works as evidence for Dolores being the villain since if the family inbred it could have caused her to be less sane. This doesn't entirely work since if abuela had kept her eye on who her grand kids were marrying to prevent inbreeding than she definitely would've kept tabs on her children. but it could work if you consider the possibility of the group abuela arrives with having inbred before they arrive. I don't have much evidence for this but it's cool how they go hand in hand.
From what I remember, the cracks in the Casita are Hernando (Bruno). It might sound impossible, but I think it is possible if the rats are there to help Bruno. We know the rats are somehow capable of putting together the entire vision of Bruno during the dinner, showing a measure of intelligence not seen from rats usually.
A lot of people probably think you're exaggerating when you say you've seen the movie 50+ times with your kid, but as a parent I want to assure y'all that it's not an exaggeration. When a kid gets hooked they may watch a movie 2-5 times a day. Two weeks in and you've had it in the background 59+ times.
I have ONE sister... and she has watched it minimum 5-7 times a day I believe. Since his child is forcing him to, it's the same for the parent.
The amount of times I watched Mulan and Peter Pan as a child is embarassing.
@Que's Productions Was it called Walking With Dinosaurs 3D?
Yeah my kid and I have watched it 90 times minimum
Can confirm the obsession with watching a thing over and over, I can't remember if I did it, but I have seen my family members with Kids complain about it with frozen and ninja turtles. I do know I did it a little with Barney, the first land before time, and the first episode of Power Rangers.
Matpat finely on his break one day and he just starts humming "we don't talk about bruno-no-no-no"
Despite having never watched the movie, I’m watching this. Is it only because every time Mirabel talks I realize my sister was actually correct about who voiced her? Yes. My sister and I started watching B99, and the woman who plays Rosa plays Mirabel.
I get that "We haven't stopped" part. My parents told me that when I was young I forced them to watch cars 1 like 100 times. Now my brother does that with cringey youtube videos in our room
When the kid is older, I wonder how he’ll react to what Mat’s been doing after every movie night all these years
I love it when Matpat turns innocuous looking cute animated movies into horror films
His Wall-E video…
@Unknown Variable I know, can KZworld not just blanket ban the phrase "finally its here! *link*"
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Hey MatPat! Could you do a theory on the Netflix series: A Series of Unfortunate Events? It ended on a bit of a cliffhanger and I would love to see your theory magic!
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It's actually said by one of the creators that Julieta can cure everything, even her husband and daughter's eyesight, but she gives them a choice.
alternative theory: images have edges. and people can be outside those edges... in the image where you counted the people there was a big rock behind the group. it was impossible to see how many more people were behind that rock and offscreen. and in the village, I could imagine people being offscreen as well.
I love how film theory takes a Disney movie and makes it slightly more terrifying than the freezeframe of the dancing donkeys with 0 context
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Oh snap, I didn't know 100 years of solitude was a school book! I actually read it about 5 years back thanks to a recommendation from a coworker. I found it a pretty fascinating read on my own! Shame I wasn't aware of it when I was in school.
Me and my best friend were talking about how the warden was made we came to since the village is only made of stone, they had a very low amounts of wood ( shocker i know ) so instead of using iron to make their iron golem they made it out of stone. Eventually they tried to made an end portal and fail the golem was warped and the villager killed and sealed away in shreakers and the warden still does what it was made to do
Plus, I’ve always been more curious how the economy of such a small village works. If you have maybe 300-ish people tops in this Encanto, but no trade with the outside world…how are they getting all their luxuries? Glasses, fine clothing, metal-working and jewelry, THE INSTRUMENTS. Those kinds of things take skilled work and lots of resources, which ok, I’m sure there were probably some skilled artisans among the initial population of refugees, but taking into account all the people you would need for construction, raising animals, farming fields, mining metals (do they just have all the iron, copper, gold, silver, nickel, and tin deposits in that one valley?), quarrying stone…does the Encanto just poof these things out of thin air when they’re needed, like the Casita?
One of the things that needs to be taken into account with the 50/500 rule, is that it is sort of species dependent. Some species have far fewer problematic recessive genes and can inbreed more than others without issue. Some species have far more and can tolerate less inbreeding. Of course, we are speaking of humans here, so really, the survival of the people of Encanto would really depend on the prevalence of recessive genetic disorders. The lower the prevalence, the longer the population can be sustained, and the more inbreeding that can be tolerated. Yes, eventually, without some new genetic material being introduced into the population, there is a high likelihood that the majority of the population will eventually suffer from multiple genetic disorders (one specific genetic train we know will become prevalent is an allergy to bees). All of that being said, taking into account the birth rates mentioned in the video, the possibility of multiple breeding partners in the original group (culturally less likely to be the case), the size of the original group and the time frame of 50 years, the population would be fine. They would likely be ok for another century and a half, with only inbreeding occurring between peoples that are at least 2 generations removed from each other, which is not uncommon, even today.
1:30 i always felt the cracks disappearing was due to the emotional state of the family/general population, if that makes sense. When theres an off balance of harmony the cracks present themselves. Mirabel can also talk to and understand the house so she obviously has a strong connection to it. Im assuming her connection to the house PLUS my theory about house basing its form off the harmony of the household would explain why the cracks manifested so strongly in that moment. The cracks disappeared because everyone came back into the house and mirabel was no longer the sole focus of the room she was in. There was now a general harmony because of Antonio's party, and everyone being excited for him weighted out mirabel's feelings of inadequacy. This also explains later when the house actually does fall apart when mirabel is fighting with abuela. Everyone in the room is feeling inadequate or unharmonous(?) in some way which is why the house actually DOES fall apart and the cracks don't disappear. The majority of focus in the room and among everyone is disharmony, especially between mirabel and abuela who are the only two people who have a deep understanding/communicative connection to the house.
I think an important point to take into account. Since the scene of when they cross the river might be shorten for dramatic purposes, how about trying to find data of village sizes around the 1000 day war in Colombia (1899-1902). By the amount of people in the scene where abuelita meets Pedro, there must have been way more than 50 people in that village.
Bridge in middle of road explanation theory: they had a boat too tall to go under the bridge, so Luisa picked up the bridge, puts it on the road off to the side (in a way that people can still walk over it so as to not cause a roadblock) then after the bridge passes and mirabel walks up into it, Luisa puts it back
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My only question is where they would be taking a boat and why
Why would there be a large boat in such a tiny stream?
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....except that it's a stream. What person is going to use a boat on a stream?
There's one thing you didn't account for. While the Encanto does make coming in or leaving the village difficult it's not all together impossible. We only see the path that they took across the river and the mountains spring up around them in all directions but they seem to be highest along that specific path. There are mountains all the way around but they appear smaller and to actually have some gaps between them meaning if they continued on in the opposite direction they could still have a way in and out of the Encanto. They did think that Bruno actually left, even though we find out he never did there must be a way to leave for anyone to believe that was even a possibility. All that being said... your calculations seemed to conclude that it would take 6 generations for inbreeding to occur and we only see evidence of 3 generations of people actually existing. Only half of your initial prediction. I also think that jumping from an estimate of 50 people to 300 would seem highly unlikely unless every couple has 3-4 children. It's estimated that on average people will only have 2-3 children which would mean that the population can't actually grow from 50 to 300 across 3 generations without breeding at a statistically higher rate. Technically possible but unlikely. I have to admit though this is something that while I don't think is really conclusive, there's too many unknown variables to consider, it is at least plausible.
You forget to mention the Amish in America when talking about close relations. There have been studies done on them and the odd genetic quirks and diseases that afflict them. I also remember reading about a family in the Appalachian mountains that was so inbred that their skin developed an odd blue pigmentation.
I have family with history of inbreeding on Hispanic hills. You're right, luckily, it ain't that bad for my family. Not to mention, it didn't last long. Edit: should wait to watch full episode before commenting. O well, I deserve any snark.
Matt literally can make theories about anything! He's the theorist god.
Don't think I've ever clicked on a Film Theory video so fast before. I've had a few theories myself, so this made me really curious