Dear Evan Hansen is Problematic

2020 ж. 6 Там.
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National Suicide Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
National Sexual Assault Hotline: 1-800-656-4673

I spent wayyy more time on the drawing than I expected. I was gonna include a time lapse of the full thing but the first three hours didn’t save.

Don’t just listen to me, here’s other people’s take on Dear Evan Hansen:

-Amanda Almonord: “My Complicated Thoughts Surrounding Dear Evan Hansen | Broadway Review” kzworld.info/throw/bejne/g4GFg7ikzqaAeYM
-LockerPunch: “The Subtext of DEAR EVAN HANSEN | video essay” kzworld.info/throw/bejne/b5BqZ9hmz4eIgmY
-Evan Edinger: “Why I love Dear Evan Hansen” kzworld.info/throw/bejne/ent9oLaural_m2o
-This Week I Review: “Dear Evan Hansen Has Great Music but a Horrible Message” kzworld.info/throw/bejne/j4SHadmos6SugKk

ALSO “Ain’t Too Proud” is an underrated musical. Y’all go Stan that instead.

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  • Thanks for making this video. I saw this show in 2019 and every so often I search online for other people who also really disliked its messaging. You're absolutely right: Evan did a horrible thing and faced no consequences for deceiving a grieving family. It WASN'T a mental health issue, that's Evan choosing to manipulate people. People still love this musical but I just know it won't age well and I can't wait for everyone to see it the same way you and I do.

    Elise MoserElise Moser8 ай бұрын
    • @ItsCruzDiegoI actually never will I really like this musical but to each their own I guess

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • I absolutely loved this when it came out (I was around 12 or so) and now I can see how irrefutably problematic it is. I feel like it's that way with a lot of people who were preteens when this show came out. We loved the songs and jokes and inclusive feeling but failed to grasp the deeper (more screwed up) meaning behind the facade of "the teenage boy tells his crush he loves her in a less than great way, but there's also suicide and that's not great"

      MollyMolly2 ай бұрын
    • What it WAS is unwanted unneeded stress dumped on a boy with an anxiety disorder who never had friends, wanted to die but failed 😀

      Bright Sea FilmsBright Sea Films8 ай бұрын
    • Me too. I really hope they deal with these issues in the movie that’s coming out, but something tells me they won’t.

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego8 ай бұрын
  • Hope you are well. Thanks for sharing some of your vulnerability.

    Jared Van WormerJared Van Wormer7 күн бұрын
  • I'm sorry for your loss mate, thank you for making this analysis

    katkat10 күн бұрын
  • You got the meaning of 'Requirem' wrong. It's not about how Connor was really nice. It is a family trying to come to terms with Connor's death. The dad saying that he hates the fact that he gave Connor everything and yet Connor threw it away. And Zoe saying that she doesn't want to fulful the role that everyone is expecting her to have. She doesn't want to be the grieving sister and pretend that she misses him. She doesn't as he made her life hell. And it is Alana, not Atlanta.

    WillowFaeWillowFae23 күн бұрын
  • I’m sorry for your loss. You sound like a sweet person. I agree with most of your points with Dear Evan Hansen. I sort of want to read the book to see if maybe there are some scenes that were left out. Dear Evan Hansen kind of reminds me of 13 Reasons Why.

    Kelly RevayKelly RevayАй бұрын
  • Since the movie came out, I’ve heard some people say that because of Ben Platt looking too old to play Evan Hansen, his actions are malicious than if someone younger looking were to play the role. But the problem is, Evan’s not a 7 year old kid, he’s a teenager. I understand that he’s an anxious teen and a lie like this can get out of hand somewhat. But he still has the mindset of knowing right from wrong and was taking advantage of a grieving family. Idk I’m on the fence with this whole story. On the one hand, I get where Evan comes from, but at the same time I feel gross for defending him.

    Cosmic Sugar BunnyCosmic Sugar BunnyАй бұрын
  • I really like the story, but I do agree Evan went way too far. I get that in his situation he did not k ow how to act but he should have told the truth from the start. He could have let them think Connor had a friend or at least that they knew each other , but just not try to be friends with them. I think the sister probably suspected something in the beginning. The message part of lets be better persons, ask for help, that is okay, but I think the show focused too much of the lie and did not develop that quite well

    Berta 009Berta 009Ай бұрын
  • I never heard about this musical before, until the movie trailer came out. At first I tought it had a different plot, but when I started to read the synopsis... I wasn't sure to watch it. But, this part about Evan being an anxious guy and struggling with this, made me feel interested because I've been diagnosed with anxiety a couple of years ago... So, I gave it a chance... And... I couldn't go forward from the first Murphy's meal scene where Evan sings "For Forever". I felt sooooo bad, so guilty and it made no sense. I stopped and let past some days before hitting again the movie (in my country hasn't been released yet, so, I searched somewhere else... you know). And... Again, I couldn't go forward for more than a few minutes, and the same happened days after... Until I gave up. I searched for the music in KZworld and, unbelievably, I felt in love with it. I didn't mention before, but I loved "Waving Through a Window", it took the words out of my mouth and how I felt the last years... So, I decided to watch the musical instead of the movie... but the problem was still there. Once Evan goes to the Murphy's house everything turned so uncomfortable and the feeling of guiltiness was so overwhelming that made me stop the video constantly until I quit again. I ended up reading the full plot in Wikipedia just to know how it ended. Later, I started to search if someone else felt so weird watching Dear Evan Hansen as I started to analyze what was wrong. And, I realised that the story is bad and nasty. It shows how Evan plays with the memory of someone he never knew, plays with the Connor's family and go here and there without any blame. It carries a wrong message about anxiety and is not respectful with the suicide of someone else. At first makes you empathize with Evan, but then is hard to empathize with him, it's an horrible character. P.S.: I liked your illustration, so entertaining to watch it.

    J-AntonioJ-AntonioАй бұрын
  • captain obvious

    snotgrotsnotgrotАй бұрын
    • Go swab the deck then matey

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiegoАй бұрын
  • I agree. Evan is the real bad guy I think the only reason people like him is the character development. musics a bop though lol

    Happy FeetHappy FeetАй бұрын
  • Yes the manipulating and using others the way Evan did is what I don't like about it. I completely agree with you

    kelvianna eppersonkelvianna eppersonАй бұрын
  • You're forgetting good for you Evan was called out on this bullshit in/on that song

    ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
  • Tbh I can see where Evan’s coming from, but I do agree, if you relate to Evan, that’s not something you should be proud of.

    GalehunterGalehunterАй бұрын
  • all respect to the people who DEH offends, but the whole point is that evan is a terrible person. the musical even outright shows you at the end in good for you and words fail, where it all falls apart, everyone despises him including the fabricated connor in his head, and hes more alone than hes ever been. by the end of the musical you're supposed to hate him because of his actions, he's probably never going to be excused for them in-universe or out-of-universe. hes a villain, just a circumstantial and characterized one. you can feel for evan because he's put in an uncomfortable situation (even though he goes deeper and deeper by choice when given the opportunity) while still knowing his actions are unforgivable.

    vanillaPowdervanillaPowderАй бұрын
  • I find Evan relatable. His suicide attempt is relatable - I've been there. His being raised by a single mom, not doing well in school, being neglected, that part's relatable too. I'll never forget when I thought my best friend's dad was more of a dad to me than my own father. But. Never in a million years would I take advantage of a grieving family to feel joy. This is the part where Evan is a villain. A relatable villain, but a villain nonetheless

    shadowgirl765shadowgirl765Ай бұрын
  • "Now lets look at Jared and A T L A N T A"

    Carter's DadCarter's Dad2 ай бұрын
  • dood, rn, especially w the Platt shitshow, 10/10. I've read fanfic that addressed this trope better than any version of this story ever could. the movie's so nonsensically bad that it feels like a self sabotage. and my god, does it make all the OG problematic plotlines ever worse. ON TOP OF THAT Platt's blatant disregard for the appearance of his age tells me everything I need to know abt how absolutely incompetent these ppl were at **interpreting** the story. in order for this to work on any level (it should nvr work) he needs to be looking much much much much younger. he looks like Norman Bates. he gives off vibes like Norman Bates. he acts like Norman Bates. this would only work as horror and nothing else. 0sympathy. this is chilling.

    S JS J2 ай бұрын
    • @ItsCruzDiego to me, stealing the opportunity of a lifetime from an unknown actor is like a cherry on top. like there's so many fundamental things that are wrong w it that I'm happy no one else invested their faith in this. the only reason the other actors are not getting panned, even tho they lowkey are, is cz they all have CVs the length of the Hollywood Walk of Fame itself. even as is Amy Adams' performance is so valid and shallow... did it even feel she was grieving her fucking son who killed himself. it's truly chilling and I'm so fucking mad. how could Chbosky who fucking wrote and directed Perks do this? how could he get something as nuanced as borderline personality disorder so right but not get how grief works... OMFG. I am truly upset. btw, the msg that if you commit suicide you bring ppl together is top-notch. like peak excellence.

      S JS J2 ай бұрын
    • I get you, oh my god. Ben Platt playing Evan Hansen again really makes me mad because, 1 he’s too old. Even with In the Heights Lin Manuel Miranda didn’t want to play Usnavi because he thought he was too old. So why then should Ben play Evan. On top of that, Ben already had his chance to play Evan. Why not let someone ELSE give their own take on the character so that a new generation could have their own version of the character??

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego2 ай бұрын
  • Your analysis moved me more than any play or movie. I completely agree with your thoughts here and wish “culture” would grow a pair and start taking some actual risks. Instead it just seems to be interested in being risqué. To tell the story you’ve described as your own takes not only an ability to communicate but it also takes an undeniable moral foundation. What’s lacking in our modern storytelling is the guide stone of moral courage. The conviction that only comes by knowing the right from wrong. Without it characters are poorly treated and the audience is left disillusioned and vacant. By contrast your story arrested my attention and truly moved me. Well done. You seem to be one hell of a stand up guy.

    Charles MossCharles Moss2 ай бұрын
  • If Connor and Evan actually were friends that could've been a worthy story.

    Rhiannon MaherRhiannon Maher2 ай бұрын
    • @ryan tv channel 13 Just edit the comment if you think of more to say my guy, it's alright lol. Also not like Evan learned anything anyway, nothing happened he told the truth and oops well that's over time to move on with life while the story frames this like this is inspiring. Which... It's really not, it's actually just kinda fucked lmao.

      GhoulGhoulАй бұрын
    • @Colossal Fossils look I'm just saying that there's so much to argue here.

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • @ryan tv channel 13 Dude just... write one comment. Spamming 10000 comments for every sentence is irritating.

      Colossal FossilsColossal FossilsАй бұрын
    • @Micah Cook oh in plus no one should be unlikable , no matter what they've been thru ,No one should be a bad person for no reason or any reason.

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • @Micah Cook and Evan liking Connor how could people ship that?

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
  • STOP SAYING “ATLANTA”” !!! The girl’s name is “ALANA” !!!

    Nancy HelpinstillNancy Helpinstill2 ай бұрын
  • I have given my long winded expression on why I hate this but just know that I think its morally bankrupt and emotionally manipulative and plain evil. I think this was made by someone who understands absolutely nothing about what people who think about suicide or have DONE it go through.. its a selfish story, a story about loving life and forgetting those that left you because the only thing that matters are the people around that person NOT the victim themselves. Disgusting...

    Jason QuirozJason Quiroz2 ай бұрын
  • We, as the audience, expect the catharsis of the musical to actually happen. Some sort of punishment of the main character for committing a horrible injustice to the family of a suicide victim. It doesn't. Evan gets basically NO repercussions for basically pathologically deceiving his girlfriend, her grieving family, his mother, and whoever else about a random near-stranger's suicide, excepting the song he sings wherein he doesn't apologize and blames his actions on the fact that he just wanted somewhere to belong or a family to be part of. It's a very jarring thing to me; so many people idolise this behaviour because of this musical. Yes, Ben Platt is fantastic, yes, the music slaps at times and I could listen to words fail all the time but this musical basically sets the message that lying and harming people is ok if you've got a mental illness or are traumatised. It's the ultimate "my trauma outranks yours" homage and it just feels weird and a bit icky to watch.

    MollyMolly2 ай бұрын
    • @Molly and Connor is my least favorite character by the way.

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • @Molly yeah well at least in the beginning here didn't feel malicious he thought it would help the family so really at first he wasn't even doing it for himself but that still doesn't explain that he did lose everything in the end and he did get called out but this guy doesn't put it in the video for some reason.

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • @ryan tv channel 13 Ok sure, but this is still a boy who exploits the suicide of a stranger to increase his popularity and to implant himself into the dead boy’s family. This man gets almost ZERO consequences in both the movie and musical. Zoe stops talking to him, and he loses friends, but that is way fewer consequences than he should have copped for literally taking advantage of a kid's suicide to get with a girl. Zoe even absolves him of guilt at the end; saying "everyone needed [the lie] for something", which completely unravels any feeling of consequence it had. She basically thanked him. It's major main character syndrome and it's a detrimental message to put across.

      MollyMollyАй бұрын
    • Evan Lost everything at the end so the message was if lie you LL you'll you will/you'll always get caught and it's not ohkay

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
  • I agree with these opinions but I think it’s meant to be like that to be more realistic, showing how not everyone can be a good person.

    StormtrooperStormtrooper2 ай бұрын
  • While I haven't paid that much attention to the actual musical itself, I've read the novel and I feel like it does an excellent job at providing context to Evan's story while still not fully justifying what he did. The character of Jared, in particular, pointing out the immorality of Evan's actions. While I respectfully disagree with your opinion on the story as a whole, I agree that the musical struggles to convey the message that I wholeheartedly HOPE it's trying to send.

    Daniel AdamsonDaniel Adamson2 ай бұрын
  • As someone who's written books about high schoolers WHILE still in high school (and being mentally ill while still in high school, and having many, many friends who were mentally ill while still in high school), I did...not like either the musical or the movie of Evan Hansen. While mental health issues are, indeed, prevalent to no end among teenagers, they're interpreted in the teenage world-just as it was in the adult world-as something private. (Meant for mostly Connor, but Evan as well.) Not necessarily stigmatized, and something teenagers can and do have, AND something that can reveal worrying symptoms/be detected by family and friends, but still...private. Bringing something of this frank of a topic to such a light not only turns a private topic into something that was brought WAY too far into the forestage (pardon the pun), but was portrayed in such a way that those who were/are mentally ill seem like that's all there is to them. Are there teens who act like that? Yes. Does the average teenager necessarily like, want to hang out with, or want to hear about the teen who acts like that? Let alone teenagers who utilize mental illness to commit atrocious acts, especially involving a recent suicide? Hell. No. *And, most importantly, it doesn't normalize mental illness so much as it does make it prevalent enough to now be mocked. Which is NOT what you want if and when you're suffering from a mental illness.* Not to mention it can create wholly unhealthy boundaries in personal relationships. I know some may be reading this and think this was the original intent, but if so, it may be relatable to certain teens, but certainly not your average one. And certainly not to me. Also, the decision to approach Connor's death as a FUCKING. PLOT. DEVICE. is absolutely horrific. Never would I ever consider doing this if I would continue to write about teenagers. For all the reasons above, they took a death by suicide and basically (metaphorically) flung Connor's corpse back and forth at their leisure. A more realistic portrait would be a 17-year-old named Evan Hansen who has a good friend, a crush, is now snagged into a suicide scandal, and *oh yeah he has social anxiety,* not a 17-year old kid named Evan Hansen who has social anxiety, and *oh yeah he has a good friend-* you know what I mean. Music is great tho 👌

    Julia HartJulia Hart2 ай бұрын
  • Bruh I’m legit like 13 and your using too many big words for me. I love the songs, and if you think about it, being in a situation where your told someone killed themself that a letter you wrote was there last word, it’d be pretty hard to tell the truth. Manipulate is kind of a strong word, but he does kind of. I think he might of unknowingly but I don’t think he meant too. He should have had consequences yes that’s true. I can’t defend him on that. I honestly forget by the end of the show that Connor’s dead. I don’t know the point of the story, but I enjoy it.

    ImBadAtDrawingImBadAtDrawing2 ай бұрын
    • Hate to break it to you, but I would have understood these words at 13. At that age you should be mostly used to "big words". I recommend reading more books to try and broaden your vocab! :) And I know this might be difficult for you to understand because you're young, but Evan's behaviour is not "kind of" manipulative, it is blatantly manipulative. He lies to Connor's sister telling her that her brother talked about her when Evan never even knew her brother. He told her this to make her like him because he has a crush on her. This is blatant manipulation. You're also allowed to enjoy a story while recognising the problems with it. You shouldn't get so defensive about criticism about the shows you like. I can tell from your comment that you didn't listen to the entire video and simply got annoyed by the title.

      Colossal FossilsColossal FossilsАй бұрын
    • this is legit the problem with the musical. No one can be sure of what the point is because they don’t communicate anything well, they don’t focus on Connor so the whole audience forgets about him and never know what kind of person he is outside of Evan’s lie, and it tricks young people into thinking it’s all excusable

      bro????bro????2 ай бұрын
  • The best thing in the DEH book -and now I think about it, the only good thing in it- is that they actually flesh out Connor's character. He DID have a friend named Miguel but he isolates himself from Miguel because he did that thing in romance novels where he kisses his only friend and assumes that Miguel hates him and that's part of why he committed suicide. He felt alone. He's suffered from what a lot of people interpret as BPD and really no one associates with him outside of Miguel and he never gets the help he ACTUALLY needed since he was like, 8. We get Actual Ghost Connor's perspective on some parts of the story but it's just more excusing Evan's actions. He even says that he'd be Evan's friend if he were still alive and I honestly don't know if that's from him knowing the struggled of mental health or just the writer trying to make everything seem okay or both. He didn't even get to talk to Miguel on the day he killed himself. Honestly, I think Miguel probably would've talked him out of it. I recommend borrowing it from a library because most of it is just a retelling of the musical and I'm sure you wouldn't want to waste actual money on the book.

    Muichiro's left armMuichiro's left arm2 ай бұрын
    • Yeah I’ve heard so many good things about the book. I just might speed-read it before the movie comes out😂

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego2 ай бұрын
  • Hi, here’s the thing. In some ways I consider myself a real life Evan Hansen. Not in the sense of lying to get what I want. But in the sense that I questioned how much my parents cared for me, my inability to connect with others and make friends, social anxiety and Depression, suicidal thoughts, and unable for find a way for the ones I loved to accept me. So perhaps that my viewpoint on the show admittedly pretty biased. But even though you and I have different opinions about this show, I do respect and understand your viewpoint on this show.

    Jacob ChildressJacob Childress2 ай бұрын
  • So glad to hear this opinion echoed. In 2016, my friend was a big fan of DEH and gave me hell when I said I didn't understand how Evan is a good person or how this was good representation. It's insulting to people with social phobia to say this is someone one with it would do. It's insulting to those affected by suicide or suicidal thoughts that a victim is forgotten and exploited for someone else's gain. How is it ever okay to make up such elaborate lies to get your college paid for and the girl you've been crushing on. No one ever gets consequences, the (hopefully) intended point of "you are not alone" is forgotten. And it's okay because the music is catchy or something. I'm glad people are starting to see how awful it is, and how you shouldn't relate to Evan AT ALL. Something else that's fucked up is how the fanbase took this. People shipping together Evan and Connor, or Evan and the sister. Evan is a horrible person, how could you ship him with the people he's exploited? Everything about this story is disgusting.

    EdinEdin2 ай бұрын
    • @Edin he isn't forgiven by most of the characters mostly only his mom and that's about it, zoe doesn't forgive him neither the family Edit: neither Jared or Alana that's why their chucked out of the story because they don't want to be near or around him they don't even talk to him!

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 132 күн бұрын
    • @ryan tv channel 13 I did see the full musical and have listened to the soundtrack many times. That's why I have this opinion. Spend less time on him facing the consequences of his actions -- he is forgiven by most of the characters or his actions are never brought up again, anyways. Facing the consequences of your actions doesn't mean it's suddenly okay or better what Evan did. It doesn't take away this central message that someone with social phobia would do this. What is important here is the portrayal of mental illness, and how insulting it is to those suffering from it. Such a serious topic being made into a comedy is disgusting. There are many other video essays, and other forms of media, expanding more on this specific topic. I would recommend learning more to understand why this is poor representation. I'm not going to give you reassurance on whether you are a good person or not. Decide that on your own.

      EdinEdin2 күн бұрын
    • And just because someone has social anxiety dose not make them not a bad person the other message they were trying to conveyed was to say that having social anxiety is not a worthy excuse for to be a bad person it doesn't make you any less of a bad person

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • Evan gets called out and loses everything in the end and why don't you include good for you the song were Evan DOSE get called out for his actions and he loses everything in the end you failing to see this makes me wonder did evening see the musical? , in plus Evan Hansen is one of my favorite musicals ever dose that make me a bad person?

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • This exactly sums up my exact thoughts thank you❤️

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego2 ай бұрын
  • I agree. The point with dear Evan Hansen was yk Evan realizing oh shit my pathological lies actually effect the people around me. The movie is even worse if you don’t like the original musical, it removes important songs that show the outside world and the song good for you which directly shows the big moment where he grows as a person. The removal of these songs, removes important areas of character growth and a needed view of the world outside of Evan.

    Rosie EeveeRosie Eevee2 ай бұрын
    • THANK YOU that’s exactly what I’ve been thinking !!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego2 ай бұрын
  • I've only listen to the musical, and read the book but the book does have more Connor backstory and I prefer it to the anything the musical does cause it really develops every character better

    obvious sunshineobvious sunshine2 ай бұрын
  • U don't like yet made digital art of it

    yunwei huangyunwei huang2 ай бұрын
  • #ConnorWillBeFound I'm pissed that he used someone's suicide to get close to someone. And then he forgets that person. I am suicidal.. I'm one of the few that chooses to reach out for help. But how dare these producers use suicide as a plot device. Suicide, abuse, and trauma are not to be meant taken lightly. I am not afraid to be assertive about this topic because of how personal this is to me. Thank you for making this video

    Clare JenningsClare Jennings3 ай бұрын
    • You’re so welcome. I’m so glad people are seeing this video and choosing to share their experiences

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego2 ай бұрын
  • 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

    AMReed8AMReed83 ай бұрын
    • 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego3 ай бұрын
  • Thank you so much for feeling comfortable enough to share your thoughts and experiences. I was already seeing red flags when I saw the movie trailer so I wanted to see if maybe I was seeing it wrong but you point out those exact same flags in ways I wouldn’t have even able to even notice. Especially having personal trauma connected to the themes, I cant imagine how hard it was making this video and speaking on such a popular musical with such an unpopular opinion. It’s well appreciated by me though and I completely agree with every point you made. Thank you again and I hope you have a good rest of your day!

    moyamoya4 ай бұрын
    • Thank you so much for enjoying this video I really hope you have a wonderful day as well

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego4 ай бұрын
  • It's so surprising to me that this is such a minority opinion! Thanks for making this video and validating my feelings about it :0)

    Kristine Mo.Kristine Mo.5 ай бұрын
    • No problem!! I made this video to find people with my same opinion👍

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego5 ай бұрын
  • I appreciate hearing your thoughts about the show! I feel you may need to do a little more analysis into the show. Specifically the script. A lot of the evidence you use to support your conclusions aren’t true: such as Larry not loving Connor. If you are interested on giving the show a second shot, I am working on a deep, in detail analysis of the show in a podcast form that I’ll be uploading sometime within the next two weeks. If not, I just want you to think about looking deeper into the script and avoid getting caught up on the mental issue aspect if the show. Because, in reality, it isn’t about suicide or mental illness, it uses that format to talk about a different issue that is also very sensitive and doesn’t get nearly as much attention, which is probably why you didn’t see it at first. I’m sorry to hear about your friend, I also lost someone I was close with to suicide. It’s difficult, sometimes it feels like it’s your fault, but you will get through it. It will continue to hurt, for me it hasn’t stopped hurting for years, but it will get easier. I believe in you random person on the internet. You will get through this.

    One Sock ProductionsOne Sock Productions5 ай бұрын
  • I was shocked when I found out , Evan wasn't gay. It feels like the nugget of this show was him being closeted. It would make the lying more logical. It works. Him being straight and that Zoe reference in the letter makes very thing just cringe. The songs are all amazing. But I think the whole show was maneuvered to make a star of Ben Platt ( ironically putting gay Ben in straight roles for maximum appeal). Giving him this angst ridden teen image ( wearing a Gap shirt or letterman's jacket). Because the boy cannot dance and is no heartthrob. Yes a very good voice, but come on... But it all makes sense when you consider his Daddy is Marc Platt, Uber successful producer of the TV LIVE musicals and La La Land. I imagine while developing La La Land. With DEH's songwriters. The songwriters were toying with DEH. They admitted they had Ben come in to test the vocals. I think Ben had lot of advantages most do not. Marc did not produce the play bu is involved in the film . No wonder Ben got the role again. No wonder Ben got the stage role. Angst ridden teens who can sing are all over America but none would get this kind of chance, because Benny wants to be a star. And so the arts slowly slip away!

    JEFF REYWILL STEWARTJEFF REYWILL STEWART5 ай бұрын
    • Exactly. It's so gross to see a 27 year old playing a teenager and even more awful when you know why.

      EdinEdin2 ай бұрын
  • I'm conflicted that's it I have 0 idea what else to say just conflicted.

    live_laugh_watermelonlive_laugh_watermelon6 ай бұрын
  • I haven't seen the actual musical, but I found out about the movie and decided to look into the musical out of curiosity, only to find out that the story's themes are all overly flawed. The trailer made it sound like he gets called out for his faults and he suffers from the consequences, but supposedly none of that happens in the musical... What are the odds that they changed the plot for the better? Me personally, I hope they did or this movie is going to be horrible. The fact that Conner's entire character is non-existent and was literally just a plot device genuinely disturbs me.

    The Gamer Whos BoredThe Gamer Whos Bored6 ай бұрын
    • @Angelgutz kzworld.info/throw/bejne/rmZ3b7aQr6WmZJU

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • @Angelgutz He does get called out tho

      ryan tv channel 13ryan tv channel 13Ай бұрын
    • I feel like it’s the opposite tbh, the musical makes more of a consequence and like Evan didn’t mean to. That doesn’t happen in the movie much

      AngelgutzAngelgutz2 ай бұрын
    • Yeah the trailer really makes it look like Evan’s gonna learn some lesson by the end of it. In the musical everyone finds out and then it basically ends with very little resolution. Honestly, I don’t think it’s very likely that they’ll change something like that in the movie but I really hope they do.

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • I'm mesmerized by your artwork.

    Nolo RosalesNolo Rosales6 ай бұрын
    • Thank you so much!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • I liked the show, the songs but I do have to admit that it's kinda messed up when I see it from your point of view, anyways I think I'll read the book and I expect to watch the movie on september, because even though it has that messed up dark theme, I enjoy the songs and the actors

    Skittery CashSkittery Cash6 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, I really do think the songs carry the show and I think I’ll read the book and watch the movie too!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • Hey I disagree with you, but I can see your point. However, the book explains a lot of things that the musical doesn’t. I read the book and I’ve never watched the musical, so i don’t know how the musical addresses some things, but the book indeed develops every topic well. I suggest everyone to read it, seriously, it’s really good. I agree with you in one thing, though. You said that they forgot about Connors suicide and didn’t ask themselves why he did it, and then they just never address it. I totally understand and this is true in the musical, but the book adresses it and explains his past and his point of view so well!!!! It has chapters from his POV, it’s great. If anyone feels like the musical forgets about serious things and contradicts itself, please read the book.

    FátimaFátima6 ай бұрын
    • I definitely will!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
    • @ItsCruzDiego Yeah that would be great!! It also shows how bad Evan feels about lying and all the things he does, so I hope you don’t think he’s a bad person. Personally, I believe that what he did was to make others happy, maybe he was a bit selfish but it was fear what made him continue lying. Okay I’ll shut up now, but definitely tell me what you think after reading it!!

      FátimaFátima6 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, from what I’ve heard the book elaborates so much more and is just overall better. I’ve been planning to read it before the movie comes out!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • This musical should’ve been in a thriller or horror genre

    Hhmm MMMHhmm MMM6 ай бұрын
    • Or a black comedy [cough]World’sGreatestDad[cough]

      SEGASisterSEGASister3 ай бұрын
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      Patricio MartinoliPatricio Martinoli3 ай бұрын
    • Agreed.

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • It's so bothersome that the Connor we see in the play post his death, is Evans version of Connor a false copy where the real Connor is just wiped away. Like it's so fucked in my opinion

    FangAsherFangAsher6 ай бұрын
    • @ItsCruzDiego I'm from the future! And um.... Well.... you'd be dissapointed-

      Gaming with HajimemesGaming with Hajimemes27 күн бұрын
    • Honestly me too!! They had a chance to go deeper and create a complex character but instead they just throw that idea away. I really hope they fix this in the movie.

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • Yea, I disagree pretty strongly with this videos whole analysis. I would go into further detail but I’m pretty sure yourself and the entirety of the comment section are high schoolers so I’ll save my breath. Good Day🙏

    Markovian Parallax-DenigrateMarkovian Parallax-Denigrate6 ай бұрын
    • @CamIsSuper yeah me too, no one should shut because of what other could tell, your opinion is as valuable and important as others

      Skittery CashSkittery Cash6 ай бұрын
    • @Markovian Parallax-Denigrate lmao. Seriously though, what's your oppinion I genuinely want to know what you have to say. 👍

      CamIsSuperCamIsSuper6 ай бұрын
    • @anoN Nona Yea, I disagree with your comment. I would go into further detail but I’m pretty sure you have the IQ of a Walnut, so I’ll save my breath. Good Day🙏

      Markovian Parallax-DenigrateMarkovian Parallax-Denigrate6 ай бұрын
    • Excellent "further detail", you should write a book with all the details you panned out! It would be like..... Not even a page long, maybe just a cover that says "I have no counter points"

      anoN NonaanoN Nona6 ай бұрын
    • Thank you for respecting our opinions!!

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego6 ай бұрын
  • It literally pains me to see just how many people are heaping praise on it as if it’s Gods gift to the world!!! It’s one of the most toxic shows I’ve ever seen and Evan is one of the worst villains, using his struggles to somehow excuse the fact the destroyed a family and sexually assaulted if not raped Zoe. It’s just so incredibly harmful!

    Matt RichardsonMatt Richardson6 ай бұрын
  • Yep agreed Good music but the story is tone deaf and clearly it hasn’t aged well.

    Daniel FernandezDaniel Fernandez6 ай бұрын
  • To me it’s kind of like the musical version of Breaking Bad minus the drugs. The ending fell flat for me though.

    DrTranReincarnatedDrTranReincarnated6 ай бұрын
  • Thank god I’m not the only one who thinks this . Also be prepared if any of some toxic fans who lurk and may come In the comments and attack you

    GraveyardPrincessGraveyardPrincess7 ай бұрын
    • Lmao thanks, and don’t worry I’m prepared😌

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego7 ай бұрын
  • It’s really hard for me to talk to my friends about dear Evan Hansen because even though they suffer with the same problems talked about in the show they hold it up in a pedestal and don’t care to talk about the problems I mean I’ll say this again dear Evan Hansen is basically the 13 reasons why of Broadway. I find this musical disgusting and I can only bring myself to listen to waving through a window and sincerely me know because all the other album just makes me wanna throw up

    Emily RasmusEmily Rasmus8 ай бұрын
    • Sincerely me is pretty f--Ed up too though, as it is the first time the show turns Conner into a punchline....the dude literally just died. Why are we laughing at his expense with his actor dancing around?? Just feels so disgusting.

      Matt RichardsonMatt Richardson6 ай бұрын
    • Yeah, I honestly feel the same way. It’s praised for handling hard topics but people don’t usually look into how it handles them. Really for me I’m glad I made this video so I got it out of my system and was able to talk about it even though it was through a mic

      ItsCruzDiegoItsCruzDiego8 ай бұрын
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